Ohio St. (17-10) vs Nebraska (14-13) Game Thread

[rwmctrofholz]

That is a BS call!!!  Just because the guy flops doesn't mean it's a foul.

 

That was the call/no call that got me more than any other bad call in the whole game.  The plays were mirror opposites of each other on the same location on either side of the court.  How one was a foul, and the other not, baffles me.  

[rwmctrofholz]

I would also add that Jack McVeigh dribbles way more than he should.  For whatever reason, he has the Leslie Smith syndrome and feels compelled to put the ball on the floor far too often than he skill set should allow.

[AuroranHusker]

 

 

 

 

Miles has to get his point across to the refs without getting a tech. He cost us a point, which probably cost us the game. I understand the other coaches get away with crap. I think they could throw a chair across the arena, and the refs wouldn't give them a tech. Miles has to learn he is getting a rep as a whiner. He does not get a long leash with these refs. It cost us a game tonight, and very well cost us a game against Maryland.

Uhh, no it didn't. The refs started calling more fouls on OSU. In fact, the T helped NU stay in the game with the variance in FTs being altered in NU's favor after the technical.

It seemed pretty close in the 1st half on fouls being called. I think OSU had 4 1st half attempts, Nebraska had 0 attempts to that point. It should have been a defensive foul. It didn't seem to have that much of a difference, as OSU was in the bonus with 13 minutes left. You can get your point across without getting T'd up. I'm not saying these refs were even average, they were terrible, but this is now the 3rd game in the last 6 when he got a technical. That one made free throw could very well have made the difference between us winning and losing.

These refs were extremely inconsistent. White gets called for a very questionable moving screen, because the OSU guy flops. Later, I think it was OT, when Watson gets screened, does the exact same thing as the OSU player did when White screened him, and no call.

It was obvious the calls were favoring OSU. Miles probably told the ref "call it both ways." That's nearly an automatic T. It was earned. And the calls did get slightly better thereafter. That single point did not cost NU the game. Remember White bricked 2 FTs when OSU was called for a technical. Many times tonight I commented during the ballgame that it was a miserably called game by the referees.

Both coaches were not pleased, and both coaches get T'd up. I doubt that Miles truly is targeted, I took it that Miles *knew* that a T was forthcoming. It didn't 'cost' NU the game, that's extremely inaccurate to suggest it did.

Like most close games, you can look at a number of plays that "cost" us the game. I don't remember when it happened, but I think it was OSU'S last possession in regulation. They missed a 3. We had 3 guys with a chance to secure the rebound, none of them could. They go onto make 2 FT to force OT. What happens if the refs actually call the foul when OSU bear hugs Watson on the last play? What if they call the obvious flagrant one on OSU when White went for the lay-up and the OSU player never went for the ball? Miles' last 3 t's have been questionable, but you can't do that to the team. I love Miles passion, and energy. I love it for the young guys. He needs to tone it down just a little bit.

 

 

So, now, Miles is supposed to 'tone it down.' Actually, I hope he keeps pushing the team to get it done, and if that means a T comes along the way as he jostles with the refereeing. Other coaches act a whole lot worse, and rarely (if ever) get a T on 'em. I wonder why that is, but we're led to think that Miles is the one who needs to 'tone it down.' Get real, that's not how the read world of big-time coaching works. And you likely already knew that. Miles likely will want to discuss the issue at a T.O. situation instead of act in any way snarky (if he is) during the back-and-forth during the contest....

[Silverbacked1]

I don't know about tone it down, but he is better and so are we when he is Tim the coach and leader. Tim the yeller and screamer doesn't do much for this team.

[jimmykc]

Frustrating game to watch. Frustrating thread to read. Tried hard, missed too many shots, need to win a couple of the last 4 games. I think we can beat OSU in the tournament if we get to play them again. Nothing more to add.

[HB]

Miles has to get his point across to the refs without getting a tech.  He cost us a point, which probably cost us the game.  I understand the other coaches get away with crap.  I think they could throw a chair across the arena, and the refs wouldn't give them a tech.  Miles has to learn he is getting a rep as a whiner.  He does not get a long leash with these refs.  It cost us a game tonight, and very well cost us a game against Maryland.

 

Absurd.  Zero basis for those conclusions.

[jimmykc]

I think part of the reason referees seem to pick on Tim is his basically nonthreatening demeanor. He smiles too much and they know he is not going to go ballistic so call the "T" much easier and give the loonier guys more slack. It looked like dropping a "T" on Matta would cause his face to explode and so they let him get away with a lot more.

[jason2486]

Are traveling violations ever called in college BB anymore on drives to the basket? The amount of extra steps is alarming to a basketball purist. It must be the desire to add scoring to the game. Has the rule changed to two complete steps? Or more?

Good effort by NU tonight. It is difficult to win without any post scoring.

Tai seems to get called for travels and carrying more than others. I'm starting to think that refs just don't like us. I swear we do things that usually get called, yet other teams do the EXACT same thing or WORSE and nothing gets called.

[AuroranHusker]

 

Are traveling violations ever called in college BB anymore on drives to the basket? The amount of extra steps is alarming to a basketball purist. It must be the desire to add scoring to the game. Has the rule changed to two complete steps? Or more?

Good effort by NU tonight. It is difficult to win without any post scoring.

Tai seems to get called for travels and carrying more than others. I'm starting to think that refs just don't like us. I swear we do things that usually get called, yet other teams do the EXACT same thing or WORSE and nothing gets called.

 

 

I believe Nebraska basketball fans screaming at the refs all night for judgment calls probably doesn't help the players/coaches as much as fans think it does. I think it's a case of diminishing returns...

[HB]

 

 

Are traveling violations ever called in college BB anymore on drives to the basket? The amount of extra steps is alarming to a basketball purist. It must be the desire to add scoring to the game. Has the rule changed to two complete steps? Or more?

Good effort by NU tonight. It is difficult to win without any post scoring.

Tai seems to get called for travels and carrying more than others. I'm starting to think that refs just don't like us. I swear we do things that usually get called, yet other teams do the EXACT same thing or WORSE and nothing gets called.

 

 

I believe Nebraska basketball fans screaming at the refs all night for judgment calls probably doesn't help the players/coaches as much as fans think it does. I think it's a case of diminishing returns...

 

 

A lot of the screaming isn't about a judgment call.  It's about inconsistency.  That is what is so frustrating.  

[hskr4life]

Every fan base screams though... Every fan base has boooooed... Every fan base has yelled at the referees.  I do not know anything about the game yesterday or how it was refereed.  Nebraska has never really gotten a lot the 50-50 calls in basketball though.  If anything our fans should be used to that.  It does suck though being on the short end of the leash.

[Huskerpapa]

I am sure Coach Miles earned his technical yesterday, that said, I had no problem with the timing or the reasoning for the technical.  I guess he could have sat by passively, but few coaches in todays game would have done so.  Heck, the OSU coaching staff were yelling, screaming and stomping their collective feet as well.  The referee's apparently did not hear any magic words from them though.

 

By the way, does anybody else believe that Matta is eerily similar to Norm Stewart???

[Dead Dog Alley]

I am sure Coach Miles earned his technical yesterday, that said, I had no problem with the timing or the reasoning for the technical.  I guess he could have sat by passively, but few coaches in todays game would have done so.  Heck, the OSU coaching staff were yelling, screaming and stomping their collective feet as well.  The referee's apparently did not hear any magic words from them though.

 

By the way, does anybody else believe that Matta is eerily similar to Norm Stewart???

I was thinking about the Matta-Stewart comparison last night. Except that, when Norm was at age 64 after a bout with colon cancer he still looked much healthier than Matta does at 48.

[Bugeaters1]

I am sure Coach Miles earned his technical yesterday, that said, I had no problem with the timing or the reasoning for the technical.  I guess he could have sat by passively, but few coaches in todays game would have done so.  Heck, the OSU coaching staff were yelling, screaming and stomping their collective feet as well.  The referee's apparently did not hear any magic words from them though.

 

By the way, does anybody else believe that Matta is eerily similar to Norm Stewart???

I was thinking about the Matta-Stewart comparison last night. Except that, when Norm was at age 64 after a bout with colon cancer he still looked much healthier than Matta does at 48.

Matta is only 48 damn

[jimmykc]

Paint his face red and Coach Norman Dale would resemble Matta more than Coach Norman Stewart.

[Bugeaters1]

Paint his face red and Coach Norman Dale would resemble Matta more than Coach Norman Stewart.

He drinks to much whiskey.

[HuskerFever]

I think part of the reason referees seem to pick on Tim is his basically nonthreatening demeanor. He smiles too much and they know he is not going to go ballistic so call the "T" much easier and give the loonier guys more slack. It looked like dropping a "T" on Matta would cause his face to explode and so they let him get away with a lot more.

 

Maybe Miles should re-brand himself as "Mr. T"?

 

"I pity the fool who calls a 'T' on me."

 

[colhusker]

The game as called these days is basically just street ball where palming, traveling, double dribble are acceptable.  I am about down with college basketball now like the No Basketball Association.

[Huskerpapa]

The game as called these days is basically just street ball where palming, traveling, double dribble are acceptable.  I am about down with college basketball now like the No Basketball Association.

I know where you are coming from, but for me, it is the lack of consistency with calls.  Don't make a call once, if you are not going to make it the next time.  Then again...last night OSU was allowed to camp in the lane...and they never called it once, so I guess they were consistent

[colhusker]

My frustration is what I said above along with the fact that had Watson tried to shoot with 20 seconds left and had his arm grabbed there would have been a whistle.  IF it's a foul with 4 minutes left it's a foul with 2 seconds left.  Another is officials waiting to see if the basket is made before blowing the whistle if the guy misses. 

[AuroranHusker]

Every fan base screams though... Every fan base has boooooed... Every fan base has yelled at the referees.  I do not know anything about the game yesterday or how it was refereed.  Nebraska has never really gotten a lot the 50-50 calls in basketball though.  If anything our fans should be used to that.  It does suck though being on the short end of the leash.

 

 

 

 

Are traveling violations ever called in college BB anymore on drives to the basket? The amount of extra steps is alarming to a basketball purist. It must be the desire to add scoring to the game. Has the rule changed to two complete steps? Or more?

Good effort by NU tonight. It is difficult to win without any post scoring.

Tai seems to get called for travels and carrying more than others. I'm starting to think that refs just don't like us. I swear we do things that usually get called, yet other teams do the EXACT same thing or WORSE and nothing gets called.

 

 

I believe Nebraska basketball fans screaming at the refs all night for judgment calls probably doesn't help the players/coaches as much as fans think it does. I think it's a case of diminishing returns...

 

 

A lot of the screaming isn't about a judgment call.  It's about inconsistency.  That is what is so frustrating.  

 

 

I'm not going to disagree with that notion. That's essentially why Miles got the T. But, you gotta admit, Husker fans go hard-core after the refs. If a lot of the energy gone up in smoke toward angst that Nebrasketball fans expend were used more for uplifting the team, it would be generate better results, IMHO. I believe that refs get tired of the 'home' team expecting to be "rewarded." And I think that the refs are (actually) human.

[HB]

 

Every fan base screams though... Every fan base has boooooed... Every fan base has yelled at the referees.  I do not know anything about the game yesterday or how it was refereed.  Nebraska has never really gotten a lot the 50-50 calls in basketball though.  If anything our fans should be used to that.  It does suck though being on the short end of the leash.

 

 

 

 

Are traveling violations ever called in college BB anymore on drives to the basket? The amount of extra steps is alarming to a basketball purist. It must be the desire to add scoring to the game. Has the rule changed to two complete steps? Or more?

Good effort by NU tonight. It is difficult to win without any post scoring.

Tai seems to get called for travels and carrying more than others. I'm starting to think that refs just don't like us. I swear we do things that usually get called, yet other teams do the EXACT same thing or WORSE and nothing gets called.

 

 

I believe Nebraska basketball fans screaming at the refs all night for judgment calls probably doesn't help the players/coaches as much as fans think it does. I think it's a case of diminishing returns...

 

 

A lot of the screaming isn't about a judgment call.  It's about inconsistency.  That is what is so frustrating.  

 

 

I'm not going to disagree with that notion. That's essentially why Miles got the T. But, you gotta admit, Husker fans go hard-core after the refs. If a lot of the energy gone up in smoke toward angst that Nebrasketball fans expend were used more for uplifting the team, it would be generate better results, IMHO. I believe that refs get tired of the 'home' team expecting to be "rewarded." And I think that the refs are (actually) human.

 

 

Well, you like them (the refs) better than me.  Not only do we not get "rewarded" being the home team, we get a bad whistle. Thad Motta had those guys under his thumb all night.  They should be ashamed they didn't have more guts than to stand up to him.   They may be human, but that doesn't make them competent.  I'm tired of them, don't like 'em, and am going to keep yelling at them.  Just so we're clear.  

[AuroranHusker]

 

 

Every fan base screams though... Every fan base has boooooed... Every fan base has yelled at the referees.  I do not know anything about the game yesterday or how it was refereed.  Nebraska has never really gotten a lot the 50-50 calls in basketball though.  If anything our fans should be used to that.  It does suck though being on the short end of the leash.

 

 

 

 

Are traveling violations ever called in college BB anymore on drives to the basket? The amount of extra steps is alarming to a basketball purist. It must be the desire to add scoring to the game. Has the rule changed to two complete steps? Or more?

Good effort by NU tonight. It is difficult to win without any post scoring.

Tai seems to get called for travels and carrying more than others. I'm starting to think that refs just don't like us. I swear we do things that usually get called, yet other teams do the EXACT same thing or WORSE and nothing gets called.

 

 

I believe Nebraska basketball fans screaming at the refs all night for judgment calls probably doesn't help the players/coaches as much as fans think it does. I think it's a case of diminishing returns...

 

 

A lot of the screaming isn't about a judgment call.  It's about inconsistency.  That is what is so frustrating.  

 

 

I'm not going to disagree with that notion. That's essentially why Miles got the T. But, you gotta admit, Husker fans go hard-core after the refs. If a lot of the energy gone up in smoke toward angst that Nebrasketball fans expend were used more for uplifting the team, it would be generate better results, IMHO. I believe that refs get tired of the 'home' team expecting to be "rewarded." And I think that the refs are (actually) human.

 

 

Well, you like them (the refs) better than me.  Not only do we not get "rewarded" being the home team, we get a bad whistle. Thad Motta had those guys under his thumb all night.  They should be ashamed they didn't have more guts than to stand up to him.   They may be human, but that doesn't' make them competent.  I'm tired of them, don't like 'em, and am going to keep yelling at them.  Just so we're clear.  

 

 

 

Just to set the record straight, I didn't think they were particularly good on Saturday night, either. And I'm all for Miles busting the refs chops for inconsistency and all; I, personally, wonder if Nebrasketball fans 'hurt' the team at times with constant bickering at the refs. Many fans sit on their hands all night except when a free t-shirt is thrown in the crowd &, of course, especially when the refs screw over NU (again). And, believe me, I'm there with ya HB on giving them some noise, especially the plays that led up to Miles' T (for instance). That's all... sometimes it sucks, but that's life in a big-boy league when your guys aren't the biggest and the baddest.

[CrazyforNUHOOPS]

Every fan base screams though... Every fan base has boooooed... Every fan base has yelled at the referees. I do not know anything about the game yesterday or how it was refereed. Nebraska has never really gotten a lot the 50-50 calls in basketball though. If anything our fans should be used to that. It does suck though being on the short end of the leash.

Are traveling violations ever called in college BB anymore on drives to the basket? The amount of extra steps is alarming to a basketball purist. It must be the desire to add scoring to the game. Has the rule changed to two complete steps? Or more?

Good effort by NU tonight. It is difficult to win without any post scoring.

Tai seems to get called for travels and carrying more than others. I'm starting to think that refs just don't like us. I swear we do things that usually get called, yet other teams do the EXACT same thing or WORSE and nothing gets called.

I believe Nebraska basketball fans screaming at the refs all night for judgment calls probably doesn't help the players/coaches as much as fans think it does. I think it's a case of diminishing returns...

A lot of the screaming isn't about a judgment call. It's about inconsistency. That is what is so frustrating.

I'm not going to disagree with that notion. That's essentially why Miles got the T. But, you gotta admit, Husker fans go hard-core after the refs. If a lot of the energy gone up in smoke toward angst that Nebrasketball fans expend were used more for uplifting the team, it would be generate better results, IMHO. I believe that refs get tired of the 'home' team expecting to be "rewarded." And I think that the refs are (actually) human.

Well, you like them (the refs) better than me. Not only do we not get "rewarded" being the home team, we get a bad whistle. Thad Motta had those guys under his thumb all night. They should be ashamed they didn't have more guts than to stand up to him. They may be human, but that doesn't' make them competent. I'm tired of them, don't like 'em, and am going to keep yelling at them. Just so we're clear.

Just to set the record straight, I didn't think they were particularly good on Saturday night, either. And I'm all for Miles busting the refs chops for inconsistency and all; I, personally, wonder if Nebrasketball fans 'hurt' the team at times with constant bickering at the refs. Many fans sit on their hands all night except when a free t-shirt is thrown in the crowd &, of course, especially when the refs screw over NU (again). And, believe me, I'm there with ya HB on giving them some noise, especially the plays that led up to Miles' T (for instance). That's all... sometimes it sucks, but that's life in a big-boy league when your guys aren't the biggest and the baddest.

Nebraska fans don't scream at the refs anymore than fans in other arenas. In fact, they're probably not as bad as most of the schools' fans in the Big Ten. Plus, if a ref is doing his job right, he doesn't even hear them.

[49r]

If a ref is doing his job right, nobody's complaining about officiating.