Chris Beard

[Shawn Eichorst's Toupee]

2 hours ago, kldm64 said:

 

So he made a mistake (allegedly) when we don't even know all the facts yet.  But coaches like Sean Miller, Kelvin Sampson, etc. have all cheated or done bad things and still coaching and doing very well with their respective schools.  I'd take a coach with a little bit of baggage that can make NU a winning basketball program as opposed to keep being a cellar dweller.  Chris Beard is an extremely good coach and will end up coaching again somewhere depending on how his case turns out.  

 

The arrest affidavit includes enough facts for me to say no thanks. I'll absolutely take a coach with baggage who sent some texts or had an assistant coach pay a player.

[hskr4life]

If there’s one thing the Hoiberg era has taught us… it’s that credentials can be thrown out when you come to Nebraska.  It’s tough to win here no matter your background.

 

The last thing I’d want to see happen is for us to be a losing program under a guy with his recent past history. 

[millerhusker]

I have it on good authority that the top two coaches on KU’s AD/booster’s list around 2018-19 if Bill Self were to jump to the NBA were Chris Beard and Fred Hoiberg. And now here we are.

[Dead Dog Alley]

1 hour ago, millerhusker said:

I have it on good authority that the top two coaches on KU’s AD/booster’s list around 2018-19 if Bill Self were to jump to the NBA were Chris Beard and Fred Hoiberg. And now here we are.

 

It's not a stretch to think that Hoiberg at Kansas would be a regular Final Four team.  Easier to drive a Ferrari than a Yugo that hit a truck and rolled off a cliff and has a decomposing body in the trunk.

[millerhusker]

13 minutes ago, Dead Dog Alley said:

 

It's not a stretch to think that Hoiberg at Kansas would be a regular Final Four team.  Easier to drive a Ferrari than a Yugo that hit a truck and rolled off a cliff and has a decomposing body in the trunk.

Fred became one of my favorite basketball coaches in the world when I watched one of his coaching clinics on DVD in about 2011. Still think he’s a basketball genius. There’s just a lot that goes into building a successful program. 

[HuskerFever]

8 hours ago, Dead Dog Alley said:

It's not a stretch to think that Hoiberg at Kansas would be a regular Final Four team.  Easier to drive a Ferrari than a Yugo that hit a truck and rolled off a cliff and has a decomposing body in the trunk.

 

That can't possibly be true. He would have a hard time recruiting to a place like Lawrence, Kansas because farmers and cold and stuff. No way it could work!

[kldm64]

9 hours ago, millerhusker said:

Fred became one of my favorite basketball coaches in the world when I watched one of his coaching clinics on DVD in about 2011. Still think he’s a basketball genius. There’s just a lot that goes into building a successful program. 

 

Think what you said if a very valid point.  It's a total different animal coaching at a school that already has elite level talent as opposed to have to build a program from ground up.  It's 2 totally different skill sets.  I think Fred is a very good coach if he has talent but not a great program builder.  

[jimmykc]

Fred was an innovator at Iowa State when he was one of the first to pluck unhappy transfers to build a team. But now that everyone is doing it and college teams basically start from scratch with a group of transfers, yearly success is much more of a crap shoot depending upon which players decide to show up and which look for greener pastures. Coaches who are perceived to be on a "hot seat" have a decided disadvantage.

[Swan88]

8 minutes ago, jimmykc said:

Coaches who are perceived to be on a "hot seat" have a decided disadvantage.

That's true, of course.

But no one was on a hotter seat after last season than Fred--and that hurt recruiting.

Yet, that did not prevent him from signing some impressive assistants and adjusting his approach to the game.

Nor did it prevent him from signing the likes of Sam Griesel, Emmanuel Bandoumel and Juwan Gary.  Each of those players was considered less-than-highly-impressive at the time, but each has proven to be an excellent and valuable college player.

With the injury to Juwan Gary, it's hard to be optimistic for the rest of this season and for a positive momentum at the finish. 

But here's guessing that Trev Alberts recognizes the positive developments and will give Fred & Co. a vote of confidence of some type at the end of the season (something other than a raise or extension, of course) to help minimize the "hot seat" disadvantage. 

 

[millerhusker]

1 hour ago, kldm64 said:

 

Think what you said if a very valid point.  It's a total different animal coaching at a school that already has elite level talent as opposed to have to build a program from ground up.  It's 2 totally different skill sets.  I think Fred is a very good coach if he has talent but not a great program builder.  

Yeah, each situation is different. Greg McDermott did his best to run that Iowa State program into the ground. They were in a bad spot before Fred got there. Fred and Matt happened to hit big on a handful of their early unheralded recruits and transfers. Those guys were talented and selfless. Give Fred some talented, selfless players and look out. Iowa State was as fun as any team in the country to watch for a four year stretch. If Niang hadn't got hurt their Sweet 16 year, they very well might've won the national championship (lost to eventual champion UCONN by 5 in the Sweet 16). 

This year, we are a very selfless bunch. And have been damn fun to watch for all but a couple games. We just don't have talent. 

The past three years, we had some talent - put two guys in the NBA - but were as selfish as I've ever seen, in every way. And it was the least fun we've ever had watching Nebraska basketball.

I think Fred could figure out what it takes to put it all together. But he probably won't have enough time at this point. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by millerhusker

[Swan88]

1 minute ago, millerhusker said:

I think Fred could figure out what it takes to put it all together. But he probably won't have enough time at this point. 

Agree with the first sentence.  Don't think the second sentence is accurate.

[millerhusker]

6 minutes ago, Swan88 said:

Agree with the first sentence.  Don't think the second sentence is accurate.

Fair enough. I hope you're right. Just not sure it's fixable in one year. Think we'll need to find portal players with the same character and mindset as the three transfers we got this year, while upgrading the talent. Those types of players will have much "better" options than Nebraska, so it will be tough. The best way for us to do it may be through high school recruiting and development. But we're striking out on those recruits this cycle. Again, I think Fred could figure it out and I hope you're right. Just not sure how many more years he's going to get. 

[kldm64]

52 minutes ago, Swan88 said:

That's true, of course.

But no one was on a hotter seat after last season than Fred--and that hurt recruiting.

Yet, that did not prevent him from signing some impressive assistants and adjusting his approach to the game.

Nor did it prevent him from signing the likes of Sam Griesel, Emmanuel Bandoumel and Juwan Gary.  Each of those players was considered less-than-highly-impressive at the time, but each has proven to be an excellent and valuable college player.

With the injury to Juwan Gary, it's hard to be optimistic for the rest of this season and for a positive momentum at the finish. 

But here's guessing that Trev Alberts recognizes the positive developments and will give Fred & Co. a vote of confidence of some type at the end of the season (something other than a raise or extension, of course) to help minimize the "hot seat" disadvantage. 

 

 

I think at this point, Trev has to push all his chips in and fully back Fred or move in a different direction.  Fred has been here 4 years now and Fred has a 11 - 52 record in conference play.  Yes, that is a .177 winning percentage.  He has only a 30% winning percentage so far at Nebraska so pretty hard to justify keeping Fred and magically expect different results.

[Norm Peterson]

On 1/12/2023 at 7:52 AM, kldm64 said:

If I were Trev Alberts, I'd be on the phone with Chris Beard now to see if he'd have any interest in coaching at Nebraska should the season finish up without NU reaching any post season yet again?  Unless he ends up in jail, I'd take him to try and turn NU hoops program around.

 

I don't understand why this post got down arrows. I mean, disagree if you want, but down arrows?

[Norm Peterson]

On 1/12/2023 at 10:03 AM, hhcmatt said:

 

If you're going to make this type of argument, please list other coaches that have allegedly committed domestic assault, not guys who sent too many texts before that was legal or allegedly paid for players before that was legal.

 

Rick Pitino had an assistant hire hookers for recruits, banged his equipment manager's wife at a local restaurant, got her pregnant, paid for her abortion, and he took Iona to the NIT last year.

 

And those aren't even the reasons he got fired. He got fired for something Greg McDermott tried to do and wasn't fired for.

Edited January 13, 2023 by Norm Peterson

[HB]

10 minutes ago, kldm64 said:

 

I think at this point, Trev has to push all his chips in and fully back Fred or move in a different direction.  Fred has been here 4 years now and Fred has a 11 - 52 record in conference play.  Yes, that is a .177 winning percentage.  He has only a 30% winning percentage so far at Nebraska so pretty hard to justify keeping Fred and magically expect different results.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if Fred moves himself "in a different direction".    He really does have health issues, per those close to the family.   He has to know that unless he absolutely hits it out of the park with the spring portal, year 5 looks like more of the same.    No sure he signs up for more of this, regardless of what Trev is thinking.  This scenario would involve a negotiated buyout for less than the full amount.     

[hskr4life]

32 minutes ago, kldm64 said:

 

I think at this point, Trev has to push all his chips in and fully back Fred or move in a different direction.  Fred has been here 4 years now and Fred has a 11 - 52 record in conference play.  Yes, that is a .177 winning percentage.  He has only a 30% winning percentage so far at Nebraska so pretty hard to justify keeping Fred and magically expect different results.

I liked the Fred hire— even though I wouldn’t have minded keeping Tim.  I really want him to succeed because you never know what the other side of the hill looks like.  We’ve also shown some progress this year (not so much in the W/L column though)

 

However— when you dig into the numbers.  When you look at the numbers that matter.  Mmmmm it’s ugly folks.  Does playing harder and having better chemistry but also losing more games than you win again (still TBD) excite people for another year?  Will be interesting to see what attendance is like the rest of the year.

[Swan88]

Put another way, Nebrasketball is where successful coaches go to get fired:

Moe Iba

Danny Nee

Barry Collier

Doc Sadler

Tim Miles

Fred Hoiberg? 

Firing our way to success has never worked-out for Nebrasketball.  But maybe one more time . . . 

[jimmykc]

Technically, Barry resigned to become AD at Butler.

[Handy Johnson]

What would’ve happened if Mo had beaten Western Kentucky back 1986? The entire course of the Program might’ve taken on a different arch…

[Art Vandalay]

1 hour ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

I don't understand why this post got down arrows. I mean, disagree if you want, but down arrows?

I didn’t down vote but I can certainly understand why. Supporting a women beater is pretty weak in my opinion. Pitino is slime but beating a women is not in the same area code as having a consensual affair.

[Norm Peterson]

23 hours ago, Shawn Eichorst's Toupee said:

 

The arrest affidavit includes enough facts for me to say no thanks. I'll absolutely take a coach with baggage who sent some texts or had an assistant coach pay a player.

 

The accuser now states Beard might have been acting in self-defense and that she doesn't believe Beard was trying to hurt her.

 

Texas coach Beard's accuser says he may have acted in self-defense (statesman.com)

[Chuck Taylor]

A time out to point out in regard to the "well, she him first and he defended himself" argument: 

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Beard was arrested on an assault by strangulation/suffocation – family violence, according to the Austin Police Department.

Strangulation/suffocation is not pushing away/knocking down/hitting in self-defense. That's why some people have a problem with him as a coach. 

OK, you can resume.

[Shawn Eichorst's Toupee]

22 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

The accuser now states Beard might have been acting in self-defense and that she doesn't believe Beard was trying to hurt her.

 

Texas coach Beard's accuser says he may have acted in self-defense (statesman.com)

 

I did see that. I'm not really interested into getting into the nuances of domestic violence and why survivors may protect their abusers, so I'll just share the arrest report and say that there's enough red flags for me in the situation to say pass on Beard.

I'd much rather keep rolling the dice on an up-and-coming midmajor coach or a P5 assistant coach. 

 

 

 

[Norm Peterson]

54 minutes ago, Shawn Eichorst's Toupee said:

I'm not really interested into getting into the nuances of domestic violence and why survivors may protect their abusers,

 

Sometimes ppl make up shit, too. So, which was the lie? Her first version or her second?