Faux Mike Peltz Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 Amazing how much better we played once Biggs left…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBigRed Posted December 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 1.5 more years before we can evaluate this steaming pile of shit. Husker Hoops Penitent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornfed24-7 Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 Just now, GoBigFred said: 1.5 more years before we can evaluate this steaming pile of shit. Oh no we can evaluate it now. Ron Mexico, basketballjones and Husker Hoops Penitent 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Dog Alley Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 Just now, GoBigFred said: 1.5 more years before we can evaluate this steaming pile of shit. We'll have 9 more wins by that time. Husker Hoops Penitent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBigRed Posted December 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 Just now, cornfed24-7 said: Oh no we can evaluate it now. Not according to many in this thread. Way too premature to talk about how this program has no chemistry, no passion, no teamwork, and generally no clue on either end of the floor. I'm sure it'll get fixed next year. Husker Hoops Penitent, Ron Mexico and cornfed24-7 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Place Like the Vault Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Faux Mike Peltz said: Amazing how much better we played once Biggs left…. This team has a lot more problems besides Verge Husker Hoops Penitent, basketballjones, Cowboy Kermit and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBigRed Posted December 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 Today's excuses: "Players were hurt and sick." Next week's excuse: "Players just couldn't hit shots. We'll have better shooters next year." The next week: "Players just couldn't rebound. We'll have better bigs next year." And around and round we go. Husker Hoops Penitent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Polish Rifle Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 Being bad is one thing, but the lack of effort pisses me off. Third year in a row we have multiple guys that care more about getting theirs than winning and it shows. If this year ends like it’s started I wouldn’t care if Fred is back. Husker Hoops Penitent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBigRed Posted December 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 I just don't understand the notion that people think we'll be better next year even with this "core" group being a year older. OK if you want to call the returning core group of young players: Wilhelm, Tominaga, Wilcher, Keon and Andre (Bryce isn't coming back), these are just OK players. From what I've seen this year as a whole these guys are no better than young players we've had going back to Collier and Doc and Miles. They can all be decent rotation players but they aren't going to carry us into the top half of the Big Ten by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think a single one of those guys has All-Big Ten type potential. Wilhelm would have to develop a LOT, and even then, I don't see anything better than an 11ppg and 6rpg guy as a senior. Every Big Ten team has good players. Every Big Ten team brings in highly regarded recruits. We have to do something different to separate ourselves. We've talked about wanting to build a program that relies on veteran upperclassmen who've been in the program for years and have a really good team every 3 or 4 years, and instead we have Abdelmassih's approach that is completely contrary to that. Bring 'em in, ship 'em out, rinse and repeat. Husker Hoops Penitent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornfed24-7 Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, GoBigFred said: I just don't understand the notion that people think we'll be better next year even with this "core" group being a year older. I made that argument. Possibly in this very thread. I would no longer make that argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huskerbaseball13 Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, GoBigFred said: I just don't understand the notion that people think we'll be better next year even with this "core" group being a year older. OK if you want to call the returning core group of young players: Wilhelm, Tominaga, Wilcher, Keon and Andre (Bryce isn't coming back), these are just OK players. From what I've seen this year as a whole these guys are no better than young players we've had going back to Collier and Doc and Miles. They can all be decent rotation players but they aren't going to carry us into the top half of the Big Ten by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think a single one of those guys has All-Big Ten type potential. Wilhelm would have to develop a LOT, and even then, I don't see anything better than an 11ppg and 6rpg guy as a senior. Every Big Ten team has good players. Every Big Ten team brings in highly regarded recruits. We have to do something different to separate ourselves. We've talked about wanting to build a program that relies on veteran upperclassmen who've been in the program for years and have a really good team every 3 or 4 years, and instead we have Abdelmassih's approach that is completely contrary to that. Bring 'em in, ship 'em out, rinse and repeat. You are surprised that some Husker fans think we will magically be better next year? There is quite a few in the fanbase that still say things like “who are we going to get that’s better than Scott Frost”? So that’s not surprising. But unless he throws in the towel Hoiberg is not going anywhere right now. So, I’d say he should start with 1. Recruit a real PG. 2. Recruit an actual center. Fill in the roster from there. Maybe Trev will force him to make some coaching changes. Matt A is likely not coming back. I couldn’t tell you what Doc and Gates do. I will give Loenser a pass because he just showed up to this shit show. Ron Mexico and jayschool 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uneblinstu Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 They've at least got a real center in the class. So, that's a start... thrasher31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornfed24-7 Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, huskerbaseball13 said: I couldn’t tell you what Doc and Gates do. At this point I'm on board with moving Doc to an administrative position. I like him. And then you give Hoiberg the same deal Frost got. Hire some new coaches and you get a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBigRed Posted December 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 Just now, uneblinstu said: They've at least got a real center in the class. So, that's a start... We've thought and said that bout so many guys throughout the years. I'll believe it when I see it. Until then I'm assuming we've got another Moses Abraham or Duby Akeke on our hands. Would be nice if he lived up to expectations, but when does that happen for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker Hoops Penitent Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 The whole system is junk. From player evaluations, fundamentals and the bush-league schemes. It hasn't and won't work in a serious conference. NU should renegotiate Hoiberg's contract: pay him the minimum amount allowable (as a state employee) and stop with the expectations and promises. The university could use the revenue in better ways. Students can still have fun at games. I remember Northwestern football during their win-less years where the fans had great fun even though they knew they would lose every game. I suggest we look at NU sports in a new way. It will be far less difficult to accept when we know there is no chance at success. Or to quote the great Jon Johnson: “There’s no hope. Fuck everything. Go Big Red.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uneblinstu Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, GoBigFred said: We've thought and said that bout so many guys throughout the years. I'll believe it when I see it. Until then I'm assuming we've got another Moses Abraham or Duby Akeke on our hands. Would be nice if he lived up to expectations, but when does that happen for us. I get it, but this is as close to a B1G center that I've seen recruited here since we joined the conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcp Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 doc probably retires after this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Mexico Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 No, this is not a question. The new question is if he will make it to the end of the season. Husker Hoops Penitent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcp Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ron Mexico said: No, this is not a question. The new question is if he will make it to the end of the season. the only vvay that happens is if he resigns. that might a take too hot for the sun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Mexico Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 Just now, tcp said: the only vvay that happens is if he resigns. that might a take too hot for the sun. If we continue to lose like this then it becomes a real possibility. This coaching staff and team have no fight. Husker Hoops Penitent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huskerbaseball13 Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, cornfed24-7 said: At this point I'm on board with moving Doc to an administrative position. I like him. And then you give Hoiberg the same deal Frost got. Hire some new coaches and you get a year. I could be wrong but I doubt Trev will want to be firing a football and basketball coach next year even with Frosts reduced buyout. Football will always come first. He probably is in no rush to fix a historically bad basketball program when he will likely be looking for a FB coach next year. Ron Mexico and HuscurAdam 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huskerbill85 Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 We will fire our way to a tournament victory its worked so well in the past Nebrasketball1979 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyforNUHOOPS Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, cornfed24-7 said: At this point I'm on board with moving Doc to an administrative position. I like him. And then you give Hoiberg the same deal Frost got. Hire some new coaches and you get a year. He’s technically already in that position. But, this isn’t on Doc. Edited December 11, 2021 by CrazyforNUHOOPS Cowboy Kermit, cornfed24-7 and Norm Peterson 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornfed24-7 Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, huskerbaseball13 said: I could be wrong but I doubt Trev will want to be firing a football and basketball coach next year even with Frosts reduced buyout. Football will always come first. He probably is in no rush to fix a historically bad basketball program when he will likely be looking for a FB coach next year. I agree. He can't possibly want to. I'm at the point though where it looks like his wants may not matter. And I'm not saying Hoiberg should be fired in 1.5 years based on the prior 2.5. But at some point there are minimum standards. And I'm not going to state what those should be. All I'm saying is, even though Trev can't possibly want to fire a Hoiberg, it looks like in 1.5 years it is becoming a very likely scenario that even though the minimum standard seems so low, this team may be sooooo bad over a four year period Trev is forced to do something he did not want to do at this moment and time. Husker Hoops Penitent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornfed24-7 Posted December 11, 2021 Report Share Posted December 11, 2021 21 minutes ago, huskerbaseball13 said: I could be wrong but I doubt Trev will want to be firing a football and basketball coach next year even with Frosts reduced buyout. Football will always come first. He probably is in no rush to fix a historically bad basketball program when he will likely be looking for a FB coach next year. And also It is beginning to look like the football team has a better chance of turning it around next season and saving the coach than the basketball team. And If I could travel back in time and tell my 1 month ago self this my 1 month ago self would probably insult my mother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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