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Considering the alternative was for Nebraska to have an empty spot left from Banton deciding to keep his name in the NBA Draft… I don’t understand how anyone could think this is anything other than a

I mean is he really a JUCO guard anymore, if he's literally played 2 full seasons of power 5 ball? Seems like it takes away the 'can he play at this level' factor...

The reason is that with no more Burno, it threw off everyone's perception of time.  With Burno around 50 days seems like a year, so then without him the space-time continuum is really screwed up down

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1 hour ago, Nebrasketballer said:

Considering the alternative was for Nebraska to have an empty spot left from Banton deciding to keep his name in the NBA Draft… I don’t understand how anyone could think this is anything other than a great thing for the Huskers to get a player or this caliber with legitimate success at a Power6 conference school and that was getting looks from NBA teams before deciding to come back to play another season in college. He’s a grad transfer, so he has one season of eligibility, so he literally fills Banton’s empty spot for ‘21-‘22, and will leave that spot open again for the 2022 recruiting class. It’s a win-win.

 

Teddy Allen

Cam Mack

Deverell Biggs

 

Sometimes talented transfers actually make the team worse.  Not saying Alonzo is the fourth to add to the list, I don't know.  But there is a recent track record of Me First stars hurting the team.  That's why so many fans are washing their red kool-aid down with a grain of salt.

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10 minutes ago, aphilso1 said:

 

Teddy Allen

Cam Mack

Deverell Biggs

 

Sometimes talented transfers actually make the team worse.  Not saying Alonzo is the fourth to add to the list, I don't know.  But there is a recent track record of Me First stars hurting the team.  That's why so many fans are washing their red kool-aid down with a grain of salt.

 

Tagging onto my previous post, this quote from Robin's article on Rivals gives me great hope:

 

"I want to win. That's my main goal," Verge said. "I'm a big winner. That's really what I came to Nebraska for, is to win and help those guys win. My main goal for myself is to be that leader that the guys need. Honestly, I have no individual goals. Obviously, I want to play well, but I just want to win and take these guys to the NCAA Tournament."

 

Now granted, I've never read an article where a kid says "I don't care about the other guys in the locker room, I came here to pad my stats!"  But you do read articles where a guys says "the coach really knows how to get me to the NBA" or "I feel like this is the best place for me to raise my game to the next level" or other similar statements.  So the fact that he says he wants to be a leader and win regardless of individual accolades seems like a positive coming from a guy being added this late in the off-season.

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49r posted above Alonzo Verge's 2021 stats--"2021 Game Data."

To see something impressive, run down the side-by-side columns for DR and A to see:

  • lots of 4 to 8 defensive rebounds; and
  • lots of 4 to 9 assists.

Here's guessing that Hoiberg & Co. think they can make hay at NU out of those skills, which are Banton-esque.

The free throw column is also impressive.  Here's guessing Hoiberg & Co. believe a point guard's 80% free throw skill will come in handy during "foul-'em" time at the end of games--that's one clear improvement over Banton.

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Interesting addition.  I like the fact that he is a grad transfer and adds experience to the team especially at the ball handler spots.  I think it increases the flexibility of the lineup as the backcourt is flush now and players can spill over to the wings if necessary.     I always like to think teams should be filled from the edges in.  (Get your ball handlers and bigs squared away and then fill in the inner spots.)

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3 hours ago, 49r said:


Seems a little bit like Teddy Allen mk ii, no?


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To me we just grabbed our backup PG and a reliable bucket.

 

 

Assist rate: Verge

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Our team last year, for reference 

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So yeah you're right in seeing a dude who took a lot of shots.

I see a guy with passing ability who hopefully can make that translate here.

In those terms, how much better than Kobe Webster is he?

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1 hour ago, aphilso1 said:

 

Teddy Allen

Cam Mack

Deverell Biggs

 

Sometimes talented transfers actually make the team worse.  Not saying Alonzo is the fourth to add to the list, I don't know.  But there is a recent track record of Me First stars hurting the team.  That's why so many fans are washing their red kool-aid down with a grain of salt.

Honest question here. None of them were grad transfers correct? I think that makes a huge difference. This kid did his time at Juco, then ASU, now grad transfer. To me this is a bit of "one of these things is not like the other" in a good way.

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12 minutes ago, hhcmatt said:

 

To me we just grabbed our backup PG and a reliable bucket.

 

 

Assist rate: Verge

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Our team last year, for reference 

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So yeah you're right in seeing a dude who took a lot of shots.

I see a guy with passing ability who hopefully can make that translate here.

In those terms, how much better than Kobe Webster is he?

 

Yep, that is the one positive difference that says to me he might work out.  At least he's not a complete black hole.  And his ORtg lies somewhere in-between  Dalano and Teddy.

 

If we can get Melo Trimble comps out of him, then I'm on board...but consider me skeptical:

 

Comparable players for Alonzo Verge 
2020 · 2021

      Ht Wt Yr G %Min ORtg %Poss %Shots eFG% TS% OR% DR% ARate TORate Blk% Stl% FC/40 FD/40 FTRate FTM-A Pct 2PM-A Pct 3PM-A Pct
2021
SF
Alonzo Verge 
National Rank
1000 6-2 170 Sr 23 67.8 95.8 28.0
113
27.6
197
43.8 49.2 2.2 13.1 26.1
158
16.1 0.6 2.2 3.5 4.6
350
31.3 72-89 .809
253
84-203 .414 27-81 .333
2018
SF
Kevin Zabo 
National Rank
900 6-2 183 Sr 33 72.1 103.4 23.6 25.3
400
47.1 51.5 2.2 10.6 17.8 15.9 0.1 2.1 4.0 4.2 29.6 84-107 .785
421
107-228 .469 42-133 .316
2013
SG
Terone Johnson 
National Rank
900 6-2 199 Jr 33 77.4
421
98.7 24.9
354
27.9
184
44.6 46.8 4.4 11.7 19.9
441
15.3
444
0.6 1.0 2.6 3.7 24.9 66-106 .623 134-318 .421 37-107 .346
2015
SF
Devin Brooks 
National Rank
898 6-2 175 Sr 33 56.6 91.9 27.2
153
23.6 38.6 45.1 7.3 19.0
259
29.8
91
23.3 0.5 2.7
375
2.4
401
4.8
353
42.6 74-101 .733 66-167 .395 17-70 .243
2017
SG
Melo Trimble 
National Rank
894 6-3 185 Jr 32 81.2
258
104.8 28.6
86
28.4
175
50.4 55.8 1.0 11.6 25.6
172
19.7 0.5 2.0 2.2
199
5.5
195
42.0
381
136-172 .791
322
121-228 .531 57-182 .313
2011
SF
Jamar Diggs 
National Rank
892 6-2 180 Sr 33 76.4
452
106.2 22.4 23.8 46.4 51.8 1.7 10.7 19.2
490
15.0
356
2.8
443
3.4
105
3.6 4.3 39.8 102-134 .761
453
116-260 .446 27-77 .351
2012
SG·PG
Anthony James 
National Rank
890 6-0 175 Jr 33 68.2 94.6 28.0
105
31.8
38
43.2 47.6 1.9 17.4
390
15.5 12.2
114
0.0 1.5 2.6 4.4 28.7 83-109 .761
437
110-285 .386 36-95 .379
358
2020
SG·PG
Kamar Baldwin 
National Rank
890 6-1 190 Sr 31 78.7
406
104.7 29.5
66
33.6
24
46.9 51.0 1.9 15.3 23.8
234
13.3
328
2.1 2.1 2.3
347
4.3 22.4 85-100 .850
108
143-313 .457 44-133 .331
2018
SG
Siler Schneider 
National Rank
890 6-3 183 Jr 31 75.3 95.8 26.8
191
30.1
101
48.7 51.6 1.9 10.7 16.8 17.5 1.0 2.2
496
3.4 4.1 24.5 68-93 .731 134-272 .493 34-108 .315
2020
PG
Rasheem Dunn 
National Rank
890 6-2 190 Jr 29 65.3 97.3 23.3 21.7 40.5 47.6 1.9 11.6 22.1
287
15.8 0.0 1.9 2.1
221
4.9
291
44.7
232
103-134 .769
449
96-224 .429 17-76 .224
2014
PG
Tracy Abrams 
National Rank
887 6-2 190 Jr 35 75.0 95.1 24.8
386
23.5 37.7 45.2 1.8 12.4 23.1
290
16.3 0.9 2.5
373
2.9 4.7 43.6 115-149 .772
416
84-231 .364 30-111 .270
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Didn't know anything about Verge coming into this other than he was the guy who put up 43 in a 40 point loss.

 

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In terms of replacing Banton, we're bringing in PG type who will give us an open scholarship for 2022.  In terms of just Banton, this is a loss on the back end in terms of rim protection.  Verge is pretty good on the boards though he's no Banton there either. The 3pt numbers are meh but relative to Banton, it's quite the improvement.  The FT numbers indicate the 3pt numbers have a chance to move up, especially in this Nebraska offense that will give him wide open looks.

 

ASU is uptempo but not as assist heavy which to me says when they're not breaking, they're playing ISO ball. Feels like for our break Verge may bring back the Mack/Burke/Cheatham 'You know i'm running and still can't stop it' break that we could spam for easy points. The assist numbers give me hope for our half court but I felt the same way about Kobe.  Feel good about this pull.

 

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2 hours ago, aphilso1 said:

 

Teddy Allen

Cam Mack

Deverell Biggs

 

Sometimes talented transfers actually make the team worse.  Not saying Alonzo is the fourth to add to the list, I don't know.  But there is a recent track record of Me First stars hurting the team.  That's why so many fans are washing their red kool-aid down with a grain of salt.

Those guys all had more serious baggage and character issues than Verge Jr does, at least as far as what I know yet.

 

Everyone knew about the character issues and baggage that Allen, Biggs, and Mack were bringing before they even got to Nebraska. I don’t think those are very apples to apples comparisons to Verge Jr.

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1 minute ago, 49r said:

Yep, that is the one positive difference that says to me he might work out.  At least he's not a complete black hole.  And his ORtg lies somewhere in-between  Dalano and Teddy.

 

If we can get Melo Trimble comps out of him, then I'm on board...but consider me skeptical:

 

 

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