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But for Oklahoma they had HOF coaches in Switzer and Stoops with 3 cruddy coaches in-between.

 

We've had at least 5 cruddy coaches (to varying degrees) so far between Osborne and the next HOF'er.  There's kinda a big difference between the two situations.

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5 minutes ago, 49r said:

But for Oklahoma they had HOF coaches in Switzer and Stoops with 3 cruddy coaches in-between.

 

We've had at least 5 cruddy coaches (to varying degrees) so far between Osborne and the next HOF'er.  There's kinda a big difference between the two situations.


Absolutely.  And there is no tried and true way to know if the next coach will be successful.  For example, I think we have a good one in baseball right now but Bolt had never been a HC above the JC level.  
 

In hoops, Fred has an amazing resume and success in the past but there are no guarantees there either.  I just really believe in what he is doing.

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When the cupboard is bare in football, it takes about 5 seasons to recruit lineman over your current roster and then develop them.  They are the equivalent of big men in basketball, except you typically only have to recruit and develop 1-2 of those at a time.  Our skill spots have been good enough for decent seasons the whole time Frost has been here, but he inherited an atrocious line on both sides of the ball.  I think we'll be downhill this year and have some success.  I like Frost.  He's young and I think he'll figure it out by next season.

 

Hoiberg, however, was an absolute bonafide miracle hire.  If you listen closely to his interviews, his articulation, IQ, and integrity are off the charts in addition to an outstanding pro career as a player.  Those kinds of coaches are always setting trends, which is why I hope we keep him around forever.  I don't think Frost is going to be able to match Hoiberg's innovation in recruiting.  As far as in-game, we'll see, but I don't see any way Hoiberg fails here.  

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If you think some Husker fans are having buyers remorse when it comes to Frost, how about the B1G Conference writ large? They thought the Husker Football brand would go toe to toe with Ohio St/Michigan & compete for National Titles. Not get punked by Minnesota & Iowa on a regular basis...

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18 hours ago, busticket said:


For Oklahoma it was 5 years.  Gibbs last season he went .500 and got fired.  And he was navigating NCAA probation from Switzerland.  Schnellenberger went .500 the one year her was there.  Then the Blake train wreck came (3 seasons 12-22, all losing records). Then they hired Stoops and he fixed it.  They had at least as bad of a mess as us and got it fixed in 5.  It is all about getting the right coach.

Such a simple view. It can't possibly be their proximity to fertile recruiting grounds in Texas. Its was only the coach. Thats all we need here, the "right" coach. 🙄

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2 hours ago, cornfed24-7 said:

Such a simple view. It can't possibly be their proximity to fertile recruiting grounds in Texas. Its was only the coach. Thats all we need here, the "right" coach. 🙄


Ever notice our top 25 recruiting classes every year?  Feel free to have a defeatist attitude.  If being close to talent hotbeds is all important we might as well fold up the program.  Matt Campbell does fine in the talent hotbed of Ames Iowa.  If talent is all that matter John Blake and Bill Callahan would be HOF coaches.

 

Having a good coach is the most important thing.

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2 hours ago, busticket said:


Ever notice our top 25 recruiting classes every year?  Feel free to have a defeatist attitude.  If being close to talent hotbeds is all important we might as well fold up the program.  Matt Campbell does fine in the talent hotbed of Ames Iowa.  If talent is all that matter John Blake and Bill Callahan would be HOF coaches.

 

Having a good coach is the most important thing.

There's no disagreement from me that a coach is important. My argument is the time lines people like you put on the coaches is unrealistic. You seem to think Nebraska was not a shell of the the program it once was when Frost took over. I disagree. I assume you think a pandemic in the beginning of a major rebuild has no effect on the time line. I disagree. You hold Synder as your example. Hysterically, we fire coaches that achieve his success. 

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18 hours ago, cornfed24-7 said:

There's no disagreement from me that a coach is important. My argument is the time lines people like you put on the coaches is unrealistic. You seem to think Nebraska was not a shell of the the program it once was when Frost took over. I disagree. I assume you think a pandemic in the beginning of a major rebuild has no effect on the time line. I disagree. You hold Synder as your example. Hysterically, we fire coaches that achieve his success. 


People like me (whatever that means) know the program is a shell of what it was.  It is not the 90’s.  Looking at the last 20 years it is pretty obvious.  A 10 year grace period is ludicrous....never had a coach been given that latitude to build a program.  I will lay it out clearly for you because you are making plenty of assumptions about what I think.  I expect by year 4 any coach worth his salt should be winning 8 games at a blue blood. 
 

The pandemic argument gets tired because the pandemic did not only occur in Lincoln, Nebraska.  It impacted everyone.

 

Circling back to hoops....Do you think Fred was hired with a 10 year plan?

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12 minutes ago, cornfed24-7 said:

Dr. Osborne would disagree.

 

Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Nebraska Cornhuskers (Big Eight Conference) (1973–1995)ci
1973 Nebraska 9–2–1 4–2–1 T–2nd W Cotton 11T 7
1974 Nebraska 9–3 5–2 T–2nd W Sugar 9 8
1975 Nebraska 10–2 6–1 T–1st L Fiesta 9 9
1976 Nebraska 9–3–1 4–3 T–4th W Astro-Bluebonnet 7 9
1977 Nebraska 9–3 5–2 T–2nd W Liberty 10 12
1978 Nebraska 9–3 6–1 T–1st L Orange 8 8
1979 Nebraska 10–2 6–1 2nd L Cotton 7 9
1980 Nebraska 10–2 6–1 2nd W Sun 7 7
1981 Nebraska 9–3 7–0 1st L Orange 9 11
1982 Nebraska 12–1 7–0 1st W Orange 3 3
1983 Nebraska 12–1 7–0 1st L Orange 2 2
1984 Nebraska 10–2 6–1 T–1st W Sugar 3 4
1985 Nebraska 9–3 6–1 2nd L Fiesta 10 11
1986 Nebraska 10–2 5–2 3rd W Sugar 4 5
1987 Nebraska 10–2 6–1 2nd L Fiesta 6 6
1988 Nebraska 11–2 7–0 1st L Orange 10 10
1989 Nebraska 10–2 6–1 2nd L Fiesta 12 11
1990 Nebraska 9–3 5–2 3rd L Florida Citrus 17T 24
1991 Nebraska 9–2–1 6–0–1 T–1st L Orange 16 15
1992 Nebraska 9–3 6–1 1st L Orange 14 14
1993 Nebraska 11–1 7–0 1st L Orange 3 3
1994 Nebraska 13–0 7–0 1st W Orange 1 1
1995 Nebraska 12–0 7–0 1st W Fiesta 1 1
Nebraska Cornhuskers (Big 12 Conference) (1996–1997)
1996 Nebraska 11–2 8–0 1st (North) W Orange 6 6
1997 Nebraska 13–0 8–0 1st (North) W Orange 1 2

 

It seems you have completely forgotten what Dr. Osborne's on-field results looked like, so I have provided them for your reference. 

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1 minute ago, aphilso1 said:

 

Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Nebraska Cornhuskers (Big Eight Conference) (1973–1995)ci
1973 Nebraska 9–2–1 4–2–1 T–2nd W Cotton 11T 7
1974 Nebraska 9–3 5–2 T–2nd W Sugar 9 8
1975 Nebraska 10–2 6–1 T–1st L Fiesta 9 9
1976 Nebraska 9–3–1 4–3 T–4th W Astro-Bluebonnet 7 9
1977 Nebraska 9–3 5–2 T–2nd W Liberty 10 12
1978 Nebraska 9–3 6–1 T–1st L Orange 8 8
1979 Nebraska 10–2 6–1 2nd L Cotton 7 9
1980 Nebraska 10–2 6–1 2nd W Sun 7 7
1981 Nebraska 9–3 7–0 1st L Orange 9 11
1982 Nebraska 12–1 7–0 1st W Orange 3 3
1983 Nebraska 12–1 7–0 1st L Orange 2 2
1984 Nebraska 10–2 6–1 T–1st W Sugar 3 4
1985 Nebraska 9–3 6–1 2nd L Fiesta 10 11
1986 Nebraska 10–2 5–2 3rd W Sugar 4 5
1987 Nebraska 10–2 6–1 2nd L Fiesta 6 6
1988 Nebraska 11–2 7–0 1st L Orange 10 10
1989 Nebraska 10–2 6–1 2nd L Fiesta 12 11
1990 Nebraska 9–3 5–2 3rd L Florida Citrus 17T 24
1991 Nebraska 9–2–1 6–0–1 T–1st L Orange 16 15
1992 Nebraska 9–3 6–1 1st L Orange 14 14
1993 Nebraska 11–1 7–0 1st L Orange 3 3
1994 Nebraska 13–0 7–0 1st W Orange 1 1
1995 Nebraska 12–0 7–0 1st W Fiesta 1 1
Nebraska Cornhuskers (Big 12 Conference) (1996–1997)
1996 Nebraska 11–2 8–0 1st (North) W Orange 6 6
1997 Nebraska 13–0 8–0 1st (North) W Orange 1 2

 

It seems you have completely forgotten what Dr. Osborne's on-field results looked like, so I have provided them for your reference. 

I did not. He's a hall of famer. I get it. But to just look at his record ignores people thought he wasn't the one for job when he couldn't beat Oklahaoma, the Flordia teams, his bowl woes, the big one. 

I have no idea if Frost is the guy. But to think he, or anyone, was gonna turn this ship around by this year is ridiculous. Winning record sure. Not unreasonable. But to have this program competitive to win our division? Pfft 5-7 the big ten 7-10. 

Point is I think people are impatient with unrealistic expectations. 

 

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Take the name Scott Frost off his resume: National Coach of the Year, NFL experience etc. and any program would’ve hired him in a heartbeat. He deservedly gets an extra long leash here, but if he still hasn’t posted a winning record after year FIVE you can’t possibly expect to bring him back, can you...?

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9 minutes ago, Handy Johnson said:

Take the name Scott Frost off his resume: National Coach of the Year, NFL experience etc. and any program would’ve hired him in a heartbeat. He deservedly gets an extra long leash here, but if he still hasn’t posted a winning record after year FIVE you can’t possibly expect to bring him back, can you...?

So many variables between here and there. I really have no idea. I hope you see some discernable evidence these next two seasons and its a moot point. 

I wouldn't take a position one way or another at that point. 

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I did not. He's a hall of famer. I get it. But to just look at his record ignores people thought he wasn't the one for job when he couldn't beat Oklahaoma, the Flordia teams, his bowl woes, the big one. 
I have no idea if Frost is the guy. But to think he, or anyone, was gonna turn this ship around by this year is ridiculous. Winning record sure. Not unreasonable. But to have this program competitive to win our division? Pfft 5-7 the big ten 7-10. 
Point is I think people are impatient with unrealistic expectations. 
 
Isn't that why Frost was given a seven year contract. Because of how low things had gotten?

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