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55 minutes ago, 75unlgrad said:

Does anyone have an idea how the other BIG 10 schools did with recruiting, transfers in and transfers out?  How does Nebraska compare?

 

I can't compare because I don't know what happened with other teams and, even if I did know who stayed and who left, I wouldn't know if it was good or bad for them on the whole.

 

For us, though, I can say I think we'd have to be among the winners.

 

I did a thread on it. Something like "returnees/departures/arrivals."

 

We kept the players we would have wanted to keep. The guys who left are the ones we probably needed to have leave in order to make room for talent upgrades.

 

And we hit a home run on the transfer market. Oh my gawd did we hit a home run on the transfer market.

 

Our talent level this coming season is going to be so much better than it was last year or the year before. We've clearly checked off some boxes.

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59 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

I can't compare because I don't know what happened with other teams and, even if I did know who stayed and who left, I wouldn't know if it was good or bad for them on the whole.

 

For us, though, I can say I think we'd have to be among the winners.

 

I did a thread on it. Something like "returnees/departures/arrivals."

 

We kept the players we would have wanted to keep. The guys who left are the ones we probably needed to have leave in order to make room for talent upgrades.

 

And we hit a home run on the transfer market. Oh my gawd did we hit a home run on the transfer market.

 

Our talent level this coming season is going to be so much better than it was last year or the year before. We've clearly checked off some boxes.

Agree totally.

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And let me be perfectly clear, here. I say we hit a home run on transfers. That doesn't mean I think these guys will be among Jeff Borzello's top 50 impact transfers. They didn't have enough of a college career before hitting the portal to make anyone's list like that.

 

But what they are to us is high quality freshmen. Freshmen who were both ESPN top 100/Rivals 150 kinds of players. Players we GLADLY would have recruited out of high school. In fact, the Wilcher kid we did recruit out of high school.

 

When you can snag a top 50 recruit off the transfer portal who has freshman eligibility, that's a good thing. It's like getting a top 50 or top 100 kid who decommitted from his old school and re-opened his recruitment. That's what this is like. Times two.

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Here is the list so far.  I tried to filter out walkons. One other thing to note is that it's harder to quantify some guys this year as you have 5th year guys transferring because they happen to have an extra year. Also, it's just April 19th...school isn't even done yet.

 

Winners seem like Maryland, Ohio St, and Indiana for sure as they all 3 got transfers from high level schools putting up numbers.  Ohio St got a pair of B1G transfers.

Nebraska lost Teddy Allen and rotation guys while gaining two 4 stars. I'd put that in the win column.

Michigan St lost Rocket Watts but gained a high level PG. Probably a win.

 

Rutgers and  Penn St are obvious losers.  Probably add Iowa there as well as they just lost CJ Fredrickson today as well. 

Minnesota is the most active but I'd probably put them in the loser side as well.

 

Illinois lost a significant player in Miller.

 

Michigan hasn't added nor lost anyone

 

    Out   IN    
4 PG Adam Miller Illinois      
4 C Joey Brunk Indiana 4 PG Xavier Johnson
3.3 SG Aljami Durham Indiana 3.5 PG Parker Stewart
4 SG Armaan Franklin Indiana      
3 PF Jack Nunge Iowa      
2 PG Austin Ash Iowa      
2 PF Michael Baer Iowa      
3 C Chol Marial Maryland 4 C Qudus Wahab
4 SG Darryl Morsell Maryland 3 PG Fatts Russell
2 PG Connor Odom Maryland      
3 PG Aquan Smart Maryland      
2 PF Thomas Kithier Michigan State 2 PG Tyson Walker
4 PG Mark 'Rocket' Watts, Jr. Michigan State      
2 SG Gabe Kalscheur Minnesota 3 SG Payton Willis
4 PG Jamal Mashburn, Jr. Minnesota 2 SF Jamison Battle
2 C Liam Robbins Minnesota 2 SG Eylijah 'E.J.' Stephens
4 PG Marcus Carr Minnesota 2 SG Sean Sutherlin
4 C Martice Mitchell Minnesota 2 PF Parker Fox
2 PF Jarvis Omersa Minnesota 2 SG Luke Loewe
4 SG Tre' Williams Minnesota      
2 PF Yvan Ouedraogo Nebraska 4 SF Keon Edwards
2 SG Teddy Allen Nebraska 4 SG C.J. Wilcher
3 PF Akol Arop Nebraska      
4 PG Elijah Wood Nebraska      
3 SG Anthony Gaines Northwestern 2 PF Elyjah Williams
4 SF Miller Kopp Northwestern      
4 SG Musa Jallow Ohio State 4 C Joey Brunk
      Ohio State 3 PG Jamari Wheeler
3 SG Myreon Jones Penn State      
2 PF Trent Buttrick Penn State      
3 PG Jamari Wheeler Penn State      
2 PF John Harrar Penn State      
2 SG Kyle McCloskey Penn State      
3 PF Aaron Wheeler Purdue      
4 C Emmanuel Dowuona Purdue      
4 C Mamadou Doucouré Rutgers      
3.7 SG Montez Mathis Rutgers      
3 C Myles Johnson Rutgers      
3.7 SG Jacob Young Rutgers      
2 PG Trevor Anderson Wisconsin 2 SG Isaac Lindsey
      Wisconsin 2 PG Jahcobi Neath

 

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1 hour ago, hhcmatt said:

 

Here is the list so far.  I tried to filter out walkons. One other thing to note is that it's harder to quantify some guys this year as you have 5th year guys transferring because they happen to have an extra year. Also, it's just April 19th...school isn't even done yet.

 

Winners seem like Maryland, Ohio St, and Indiana for sure as they all 3 got transfers from high level schools putting up numbers.  Ohio St got a pair of B1G transfers.

Nebraska lost Teddy Allen and rotation guys while gaining two 4 stars. I'd put that in the win column.

Michigan St lost Rocket Watts but gained a high level PG. Probably a win.

 

Rutgers and  Penn St are obvious losers.  Probably add Iowa there as well as they just lost CJ Fredrickson today as well. 

Minnesota is the most active but I'd probably put them in the loser side as well.

 

Illinois lost a significant player in Miller.

 

Michigan hasn't added nor lost anyone

 

    Out   IN    
4 PG Adam Miller Illinois      
4 C Joey Brunk Indiana 4 PG Xavier Johnson
3.3 SG Aljami Durham Indiana 3.5 PG Parker Stewart
4 SG Armaan Franklin Indiana      
3 PF Jack Nunge Iowa      
2 PG Austin Ash Iowa      
2 PF Michael Baer Iowa      
3 C Chol Marial Maryland 4 C Qudus Wahab
4 SG Darryl Morsell Maryland 3 PG Fatts Russell
2 PG Connor Odom Maryland      
3 PG Aquan Smart Maryland      
2 PF Thomas Kithier Michigan State 2 PG Tyson Walker
4 PG Mark 'Rocket' Watts, Jr. Michigan State      
2 SG Gabe Kalscheur Minnesota 3 SG Payton Willis
4 PG Jamal Mashburn, Jr. Minnesota 2 SF Jamison Battle
2 C Liam Robbins Minnesota 2 SG Eylijah 'E.J.' Stephens
4 PG Marcus Carr Minnesota 2 SG Sean Sutherlin
4 C Martice Mitchell Minnesota 2 PF Parker Fox
2 PF Jarvis Omersa Minnesota 2 SG Luke Loewe
4 SG Tre' Williams Minnesota      
2 PF Yvan Ouedraogo Nebraska 4 SF Keon Edwards
2 SG Teddy Allen Nebraska 4 SG C.J. Wilcher
3 PF Akol Arop Nebraska      
4 PG Elijah Wood Nebraska      
3 SG Anthony Gaines Northwestern 2 PF Elyjah Williams
4 SF Miller Kopp Northwestern      
4 SG Musa Jallow Ohio State 4 C Joey Brunk
      Ohio State 3 PG Jamari Wheeler
3 SG Myreon Jones Penn State      
2 PF Trent Buttrick Penn State      
3 PG Jamari Wheeler Penn State      
2 PF John Harrar Penn State      
2 SG Kyle McCloskey Penn State      
3 PF Aaron Wheeler Purdue      
4 C Emmanuel Dowuona Purdue      
4 C Mamadou Doucouré Rutgers      
3.7 SG Montez Mathis Rutgers      
3 C Myles Johnson Rutgers      
3.7 SG Jacob Young Rutgers      
2 PG Trevor Anderson Wisconsin 2 SG Isaac Lindsey
      Wisconsin 2 PG Jahcobi Neath

 

Thanks for all the work.  This helps as we try to figure out where we stand in the BIG 10.

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2 hours ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

When you can snag a top 50 recruit off the transfer portal who has freshman eligibility, that's a good thing. It's like getting a top 50 or top 100 kid who decommitted from his old school and re-opened his recruitment. That's what this is like. Times two.

 

It's better than that.  With the one-time transfer rule, someone who already has that one-time transfer is more likely to stick around.

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1 hour ago, hhcmatt said:

 

Here is the list so far.  I tried to filter out walkons. One other thing to note is that it's harder to quantify some guys this year as you have 5th year guys transferring because they happen to have an extra year. Also, it's just April 19th...school isn't even done yet.

 

Winners seem like Maryland, Ohio St, and Indiana for sure as they all 3 got transfers from high level schools putting up numbers.  Ohio St got a pair of B1G transfers.

Nebraska lost Teddy Allen and rotation guys while gaining two 4 stars. I'd put that in the win column.

Michigan St lost Rocket Watts but gained a high level PG. Probably a win.

 

Rutgers and  Penn St are obvious losers.  Probably add Iowa there as well as they just lost CJ Fredrickson today as well. 

Minnesota is the most active but I'd probably put them in the loser side as well.

 

Illinois lost a significant player in Miller.

 

Michigan hasn't added nor lost anyone

 

    Out   IN    
4 PG Adam Miller Illinois      
4 C Joey Brunk Indiana 4 PG Xavier Johnson
3.3 SG Aljami Durham Indiana 3.5 PG Parker Stewart
4 SG Armaan Franklin Indiana      
3 PF Jack Nunge Iowa      
2 PG Austin Ash Iowa      
2 PF Michael Baer Iowa      
3 C Chol Marial Maryland 4 C Qudus Wahab
4 SG Darryl Morsell Maryland 3 PG Fatts Russell
2 PG Connor Odom Maryland      
3 PG Aquan Smart Maryland      
2 PF Thomas Kithier Michigan State 2 PG Tyson Walker
4 PG Mark 'Rocket' Watts, Jr. Michigan State      
2 SG Gabe Kalscheur Minnesota 3 SG Payton Willis
4 PG Jamal Mashburn, Jr. Minnesota 2 SF Jamison Battle
2 C Liam Robbins Minnesota 2 SG Eylijah 'E.J.' Stephens
4 PG Marcus Carr Minnesota 2 SG Sean Sutherlin
4 C Martice Mitchell Minnesota 2 PF Parker Fox
2 PF Jarvis Omersa Minnesota 2 SG Luke Loewe
4 SG Tre' Williams Minnesota      
2 PF Yvan Ouedraogo Nebraska 4 SF Keon Edwards
2 SG Teddy Allen Nebraska 4 SG C.J. Wilcher
3 PF Akol Arop Nebraska      
4 PG Elijah Wood Nebraska      
3 SG Anthony Gaines Northwestern 2 PF Elyjah Williams
4 SF Miller Kopp Northwestern      
4 SG Musa Jallow Ohio State 4 C Joey Brunk
      Ohio State 3 PG Jamari Wheeler
3 SG Myreon Jones Penn State      
2 PF Trent Buttrick Penn State      
3 PG Jamari Wheeler Penn State      
2 PF John Harrar Penn State      
2 SG Kyle McCloskey Penn State      
3 PF Aaron Wheeler Purdue      
4 C Emmanuel Dowuona Purdue      
4 C Mamadou Doucouré Rutgers      
3.7 SG Montez Mathis Rutgers      
3 C Myles Johnson Rutgers      
3.7 SG Jacob Young Rutgers      
2 PG Trevor Anderson Wisconsin 2 SG Isaac Lindsey
      Wisconsin 2 PG Jahcobi Neath

 

 

Am I correct that the numbers to the left of the player's position abbreviation are his average stars from the recruiting services?

 

If so, you have Elijah Wood listed as a 4-star. If that's not stars, then I have no idea what the numbers represent.

 

Thanks

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6 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

Am I correct that the numbers to the left of the player's position abbreviation are his average stars from the recruiting services?

 

If so, you have Elijah Wood listed as a 4-star. If that's not stars, then I have no idea what the numbers represent.

 

Thanks

 

They are stars. Copy and pasted from verbalcommits.com. 

caveat emptor

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Just now, hhcmatt said:

 

Click on the Illinois link

Yeah, that's what I did after I posted my question and I saw the answer already.

 

So, it does factor Cockburn and Dosunmu leaving. Torvik thinks we'll improve a lot but that Illinois will remain ahead of us in spite of those two huge losses.

 

So, I guess that's why they play the games, right?

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36 minutes ago, ConkintheCorner said:

I don't see Edwards on their yet for us when I click on Nebraska.

 

Only shows your top 10 players and his system has Edwards ranked fairly lowly considering what he did last year.

 

https://barttorvik.com/rostercast.php?team=Nebraska&run=1&player=&transfers=&seniors=&recruits=&everyone=

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