coughunter 191 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 (edited) Just wondering what liability Teddy is right now. He just doesnt seem like a fit in this system and seems to stall out what this system should be. He was chucking deep 3's early in shot clock in 1st half, offensive fouls and to's, the team seems to just stand around when he gets the ball. He seemed to make unsmart plays early in the shot clock when NE gets momentum without passing. I dont know, just frustration maybe and you get the good with the bad and have to live with it. I dont think its just this game, its been most games. I know others havent hit shots but I feel maybe the relying on him has held others back. Edited January 11 by coughunter basketballjones and Nebrasketballer 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
colhusker 3,385 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 Offense needs to run through McGowens, it was working well when that was happening. jayschool, Coaches kid, coughunter and 5 others 2 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
basketballjones 1,221 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 (edited) Think how much better this offense would be if it was ran through Kevin Cross. Edit: In all seriousness, Teddy needs to buy into the system and run what is asked of him. He might not be the leading scorer at the end of the day (or he even might), but we will all have way more success. Teddy needs to let the game come to him and then make tough shots late when we need him. Edited January 11 by basketballjones Chuck Taylor, 49r and REDitus 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
huskerbaseball13 1,197 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, colhusker said: Offense needs to run through McGowens, it was working well when that was happening. Priority #1 should be keeping Trey happy. I doubt this is what he envisioned when signing at Nebraska. We will likely be looking at 30+ straight conference losing streak. Amazing we got a 5 star to sign up for that. And, it will be open season again for those that want to transfer. Nebrasketballer 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coughunter 191 Posted January 11 Author Report Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, basketballjones said: Think how much better this offense would be if it was ran through Kevin Cross. Edit: In all seriousness, Teddy needs to buy into the system and run what is asked of him. He might not be the leading scorer at the end of the day (or he even might), but we will all have way more success. Teddy needs to let the game come to him and then make tough shots late when we need him. Agreed, he seems like a better fit for Miles system. His dirty plays are getting kind of tired to. Im at the point where everytime he gets a foul Im expecting the worse. The punching yesterday was a bit stupid. NUtball, Nebrasketballer and REDitus 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nighthawk 450 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 Didn't watch the game (speed skating practice), but from what I heard from my dad today, he's getting tired of the way Alan comes across. Think if it doesn't happen soon, both him and Coach are going to have a come to Jesus talk. If they have had one, it didn't stick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hhcmatt 12,928 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 It's somewhat paradoxical that Teddy is leading the team in eFG% and TS% while also dominating on usage. (not counting the Doane game nor Walker's 5-7 on the year) Typically you'll see guys that aren't shooting nearly enough who hit them at a high percentage and it's not the case with us. It's almost counterintuitive to surmise that giving guys who are shooting poorly more shot attempts will make our offense better. I don't exactly know if it's more about the team embracing that Teddy is going to shoot a ton and that leads to open shots or if it's Teddy embracing passing the ball more and that leads to open shots. BjoeHusker and aphilso1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Chuck Taylor 790 Posted January 12 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 12 (edited) Teddy shouldn't be the focus on "what's wrong with this team?" Bart Torvik rates him our most effective player, by a decent margin over Delano and a large margin over Trey. Yeah, his behavior is troubling, but a year ago everyone was convinced that FH would handle him. So he's exactly what we thought we were getting, except now the team is crap and some people are looking to point fingers. We signed up fo: a high-volume, high-scoring player with some baggage. We have one. Edited January 12 by Chuck Taylor Redundancy BjoeHusker, Jacob Padilla, OurDecay and 12 others 3 12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
49r 7,387 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 44 minutes ago, Chuck Taylor said: Teddy shouldn't be the focus on "what's wrong with this team?" Bart Torvik rates him our most effective player, by a decent margin over Delano and a large margin over Trey. Yeah, his behavior is troubling, but a year ago everyone was convinced that FH would handle him. So he's exactly what we thought we were getting, except now the team is crap and some people are looking to point fingers. We signed up fo: a high-volume, high-scoring player with some baggage. We have one. Agreed. I was saying this in the Teddy recruiting thread when everyone was so heated to get him in a Husker uniform. "Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it". He's no doubt a special talent, but I remain unconvinced that this team is going to go anywhere with him on it. That's not to say that they can't have success, just that I'm not going to hold my breath. He seems like such an odd fit in Hoiberg's system. coughunter, basketballjones and Nebrasketballer 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbacked1 4,387 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 Thor is now the happiest guy on the team! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB 3,828 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 3 hours ago, Chuck Taylor said: Teddy shouldn't be the focus on "what's wrong with this team?" Bart Torvik rates him our most effective player, by a decent margin over Delano and a large margin over Trey. Yeah, his behavior is troubling, but a year ago everyone was convinced that FH would handle him. So he's exactly what we thought we were getting, except now the team is crap and some people are looking to point fingers. We signed up fo: a high-volume, high-scoring player with some baggage. We have one. Similar to Cam Mack. Sure wish the baggage hadn't won, because he was fun to watch. But we did get what we signed up for. REDitus and BjoeHusker 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coughunter 191 Posted January 13 Author Report Share Posted January 13 7 hours ago, HB said: Similar to Cam Mack. Sure wish the baggage hadn't won, because he was fun to watch. But we did get what we signed up for. Maybe its from the juco level of being the "man" or him having something to prove now,but his style and Freds style dont seem to mesh at this point. Nebrasketballer 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coaches kid 231 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) On 1/11/2021 at 9:56 AM, colhusker said: Offense needs to run through McGowens, it was working well when that was happening. He was the catalyst in our second half run against Indiana. For about 12-15 minutes in the second half, I felt like we saw what Fred's offense was supposed to look like, and Trey was fantastic during that span. The spacing seemed to be way better, we attacked the rim, and got some really good looks. While Banton's FT misses killed us, I thought one of the biggest failures in the final 3-4 minutes was that McGowens didn't touch the ball near enough. That failure, along with the missed FT's and Teddy deciding to play hero ball, did us in. Edited January 13 by Coaches kid typo REDitus, redbolt, coughunter and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coaches kid 231 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 I don't think it's fair to make Teddy the scapegoat for our troubles. There is plenty of blame to go around. What stood out to me during our run against Indiana was we seemed to be more fluid, have better spacing, and collectively, seemed to be in attack mode more effectively when the ball was primarily in Trey's hands. And I think it benefitted everyone, including Teddy, when that was happening. My question is whether there is a way that Teddy can modify what he does to play within that scheme. Perhaps it comes down to him developing a broader understanding of what he can accomplish, for him AND his teammates, by doing so. On the other end of the court, Teddy has a lot of work to do, but to be fair, he is not the only person making mistakes on the defensive end. millerhusker and Red Don 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coughunter 191 Posted January 13 Author Report Share Posted January 13 I dont think Teddy is a scapegoat. Its more does he fit this system based on his style of play. I dont think anyone is doubting his talents but what he shows does not fit Freds system. NUtball, Coaches kid and Nebrasketballer 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coaches kid 231 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Agreed. Didn't mean to imply you were making him a scapegoat. I agree with you 100%. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chuck Taylor 790 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Teddy is exactly as advertised. If he doesn't fit the system, then why was he recruited? Banton doesn't fit the system either, since he doesn't push the pace and isn't a great 3-point shooters. But they're both good players, so adjust the system to make better use of their abilities. Red Don, Jacob Padilla, REDitus and 5 others 5 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hhcmatt 12,928 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 FWIW vs top 100 opponents - stats with and without Teddy on the court. This seems to state that we're pretty bad on defense regardless whether Teddy is on the court. Without him offensively we're lost. To me this makes sense when you try to answer the question of 'who do you bring in for Teddy?' because the answer, assuming McGowens and Banton are on the court, isn't anyone who has been scoring against good teams. HB, throwback and Jacob Padilla 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coughunter 191 Posted January 13 Author Report Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, hhcmatt said: FWIW vs top 100 opponents - stats with and without Teddy on the court. This seems to state that we're pretty bad on defense regardless whether Teddy is on the court. Without him offensively we're lost. To me this makes sense when you try to answer the question of 'who do you bring in for Teddy?' because the answer, assuming McGowens and Banton are on the court, isn't anyone who has been scoring against good teams. Thats to be seen I guess. I felt the overall offense was much better at times when Teddy isnt being Teddy last game. When this teal shares the ball and attacks the rim they seem to be more ecfective. I think you need Teddy cause of what he can be, but when its running down the court when you have momentum going and chuck up a deep 3 with not one pass is the issue. If he can play more within the offense and not take shots that you can get anytimen he will be more effective REDitus, Nebrasketballer, Coaches kid and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LK1 1,627 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Teams aren't going to be able to double Teddy next year. He's going to score a ton in isolation as the #2 or #3 option. He'll also play more in the offense with Walker this season. I'm very optimistic about him so far offensively, but defensively he's really hurting us and needs to step up his effort. REDitus and Red Don 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hskr4life 6,561 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, LK1 said: Teams aren't going to be able to double Teddy next year. He's going to score a ton in isolation as the #2 or #3 option. He'll also play more in the offense with Walker this season. I'm very optimistic about him so far offensively, but defensively he's really hurting us and needs to step up his effort. Having went to a Juco myself, radio broadcasted for the bball team, and did some athletic training for the college... I know how much of a focus (not much) is placed on defense for a lot of teams. So, it could be a product of adjusting to a different level where defense isn’t optional too. REDitus and Red Don 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LK1 1,627 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 13 hours ago, hskr4life said: Having went to a Juco myself, radio broadcasted for the bball team, and did some athletic training for the college... I know how much of a focus (not much) is placed on defense for a lot of teams. So, it could be a product of adjusting to a different level where defense isn’t optional too. I just wanna see the kid yanked from the game if he blows an assignment or doesn't box out again. Tell him what he did and then send him back in after he thinks about it for a minute. He does some good things on D, too, but you are entirely correct that he has a lot of terrible JUCO habits in his game that need to die off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
millerhusker 514 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Teddy played for Bob Huggins for a year, was coached by Greg Marshall for a year while he redshirted and is now being coached by Doc Sadler. We’re talking three of the better defensive minded coaches in the game. Doc had several juco players who were great defenders at this level. I’m not giving Teddy the juco bad habits excuse. He’s aware of how to play solid defense. REDitus, tcp, Silverbacked1 and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hskr4life 6,561 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 22 minutes ago, LK1 said: I just wanna see the kid yanked from the game if he blows an assignment or doesn't box out again. Tell him what he did and then send him back in after he thinks about it for a minute. He does some good things on D, too, but you are entirely correct that he has a lot of terrible JUCO habits in his game that need to die off. I believe it was coach Mo who used to say “you are what you sub for.” millerhusker and REDitus 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coughunter 191 Posted February 9 Author Report Share Posted February 9 Welp, lets see how Teddy responds now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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