Fullbacksympathy Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 I like our spacing. I don’t think perimeter shooting is a team strength. It’s not bad, but we don’t have quite enough firepower to live outside the lane like Fred wants us to yet. That said, I’ve been very impressed with Banton, Teddy, Trey, and Shamiel’s ability to score at the basket in isolation. I’m wondering if we’re going to adjust to getting to the rim more as a team default/identity. It sure helped us pull away today. Defensively we are so improved it’s scary. Our rebounding will improve as our depth returns, but we have dominated the turnover battle in the first three games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichHusker Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 I am a HUGE fan of the 5 out offense since my favorite NBA team (Dallas) also runs it. If run well and have appropriate players, you should be able to get plenty of shots at the rim. A dead eye shooter or two and teams like Nevada won't be able to pack the paint Fullbacksympathy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hskr4life Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 Agree that I think our identity needs to be "love the rim" this year. Wouldn't mind any kickout three, but any three we take with someone not trying to drive first is just a missed opportunity right now. Trey, Teddy, Delano can all drive. NUtball, Fullbacksympathy and Hooper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huskerpapa Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) We need to get beyond settling for early 3's. Our 3 point shooting seems to improve when we penetrate and either take it to the hoop or kick out for a three. Also, this team is relatively unselfish which provides clear shots AND we do not have multiple players who can't shoot. Husker fans have appreciated these "glue" players. But we are learning that you can be a glue player and still be a good shooter. By the way kudos to Doc, he has this team playing some d. Edited November 28, 2020 by Huskerpapa Vinny, Fullbacksympathy, Handy Johnson and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demone Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 For the most part, I think we have a capable group of shooters. It’s anecdotal evidence for sure, but in the past 2 games it seems the team shoots the 3 much better off the catch than off the dribble. I’ll have to rewatch to confirm but it has been noticeable to me. Fullbacksympathy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cazzie22 Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 Going to the rim would be nice in theory but our 60% free throw shooting needs to improve. Of course shooting 28% from three is a bit deflating. Norm Peterson and NUtball 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhcmatt Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 We haven't played a game yet where we've shot more 2s than 3s through a combination of us shooting a lot of 3s and getting fouled in the paint where we get FT attempts instead of a shot attempt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huskerpapa Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 15 hours ago, Cazzie22 said: Going to the rim would be nice in theory but our 60% free throw shooting needs to improve. Of course shooting 28% from three is a bit deflating. History tells us a player like Teddy is exceptional at the line; although he has been less than stellar the first three games. I anticipate that we are going to be a fairly good free throw shooting team as the conference season rolls through. I am going to guess our percentage will be in the 70 to 75% range Cazzie22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Peterson Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 Ok, well ... aphilso1 and hugh42 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Peterson Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 Aside from layups in transition, the four best shots in basketball are all treys. hugh42, millerhusker and aphilso1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerhusker Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Norm Peterson said: Aside from layups in transition, the four best shots in basketball are all treys. I’m still hoping to see Dalano on the block with four guys on the perimeter. I believe the most efficient three point shot is a catch and shoot from a pass out of the post. Norm Peterson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDitus Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) I thought the pick&pop 3 would be 3rd on the list above. Never mind I guess I was thinking about players without the ball. Tyrone Lue was a master of the off the dribble midrange. He would of broken that curve by himself. It's a lost art now. Edited November 29, 2020 by REDitus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Peterson Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Norm Peterson said: Aside from layups in transition, the four best shots in basketball are all treys. What this tells me is that when you get the kick out catch–and–shoot three point opportunity and the defender closes out strong, rather than a pump fake and dribble in for a mid-range shot, the better choice is to pump fake and take two steps to the side for the dribble 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Peterson Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 Right now, we’re averaging 28.9% from three. You have to figure that number will improve. Our season average was 31.8 a year ago. We have some capable shooters getting good looks while averaging less than you’d expect from beyond the arc. The Nevada game messed with our averages and it’s a small sample size. You figure we’ll get hot at some point and win a game nobody thinks we can. Fingers crossed anyway. thrasher31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrasher31 Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said: Right now, we’re averaging 28.9% from three. You have to figure that number will improve. Our season average was 31.8 a year ago. We have some capable shooters getting good looks while averaging less than you’d expect from beyond the arc. The Nevada game messed with our averages and it’s a small sample size. You figure we’ll get hot at some point and win a game nobody thinks we can. Fingers crossed anyway. Shamiel has yet to hit one and we have to assume that'll change somewhat soon. But yeah. I think we'll float around 34-36% from 3 on the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basketballjones Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) I’m totally fine with what we’re doing. I’m more against the individuals that are searching for makes and going 2-11 (or whatever). Teddy Allen doesn’t need to be shooting anymore than 4 or 5 threes a game. He needs to slash for us and make his crazy shots around the rim he’s amazing at. Banton just needs to shoot enough and make enough to keep teams honest, but he needs to be facilitating and creating. Lat needs, a lot, of shots from 3. And I’m pretty fine with whatever McGowens wants to do. I have a lot of trust in him and don’t want to make him mad and lose his brother. Joking. I too, am blown away by our defense. Even if we aren’t playing hard they’re effective. However, Allen is going to cause us issues against good teams, if he continues ball watching and lunging at everything. Edited November 30, 2020 by basketballjones REDitus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Peterson Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 12 hours ago, thrasher31 said: Shamiel has yet to hit one and we have to assume that'll change somewhat soon. But yeah. I think we'll float around 34-36% from 3 on the year. If we can get to 35% as a team, we'll win some games. More than what the computers are projecting. thrasher31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aphilso1 Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 13 hours ago, basketballjones said: I’m totally fine with what we’re doing. I’m more against the individuals that are searching for makes and going 2-11 (or whatever). Teddy Allen doesn’t need to be shooting anymore than 4 or 5 threes a game. He needs to slash for us and make his crazy shots around the rim he’s amazing at. Banton just needs to shoot enough and make enough to keep teams honest, but he needs to be facilitating and creating. Lat needs, a lot, of shots from 3. And I’m pretty fine with whatever McGowens wants to do. I have a lot of trust in him and don’t want to make him mad and lose his brother. Joking. I too, am blown away by our defense. Even if we aren’t playing hard they’re effective. However, Allen is going to cause us issues against good teams, if he continues ball watching and lunging at everything. Teddy *seems* to take and miss a lot of bad shots from long range, while Lat *seems* to be deadly accurate. That's what my eyeballs were telling me this week and it seems that is what your eyes were telling you too. However, the statistics don't back that up. Teddy is 6 for 19 from three (31.6%) while Lat is 8 for 22 (36.4%). Small sample size obviously, but just based purely on the numbers neither had a great first three games from deep but they were still two of our top three shooters (Trey was tops at 40% from three). Interestingly enough, Teddy is also within striking distance of having the highest overall FG% on the team at 47.4% (Webster is inching him out at 47.6% and Shamiel was an "en fuego" 66.7% from the floor). It will be interesting to see how these numbers fluctuate as the data size expands, but at least from the early returns I think Teddy needs to have the green light from anywhere. He is a far cry from 2-for-11, regardless of what it seems like. As for Teddy's defense, yes he bites on passing lanes a lot and leaves his teammates playing 4 on 5 at times. The flip side of that is that he has 1/3 of the team's steals (13 of our total 39) while no one else has more than 5. I will take that tradeoff as long as he continues to create fast break chances off of defensive aggressiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hskr4life Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 minute ago, aphilso1 said: Teddy *seems* to take and miss a lot of bad shots from long range, while Lat *seems* to be deadly accurate. That's what my eyeballs were telling me this week and it seems that is what your eyes were telling you too. However, the statistics don't back that up. Teddy is 6 for 19 from three (31.6%) while Lat is 8 for 22 (36.4%). Small sample size obviously, but just based purely on the numbers neither had a great first three games from deep but they were still two of our top three shooters (Trey was tops at 40% from three). Interestingly enough, Teddy is also within striking distance of having the highest overall FG% on the team at 47.4% (Webster is inching him out at 47.6% and Shamiel was an "en fuego" 66.7% from the floor). It will be interesting to see how these numbers fluctuate as the data size expands, but at least from the early returns I think Teddy needs to have the green light from anywhere. He is a far cry from 2-for-11, regardless of what it seems like. As for Teddy's defense, yes he bites on passing lanes a lot and leaves his teammates playing 4 on 5 at times. The flip side of that is that he has 1/3 of the team's steals (13 of our total 39) while no one else has more than 5. I will take that tradeoff as long as he continues to create fast break chances off of defensive aggressiveness. I think what probably happened is that Teddy's shots can sometimes be more "forced" while Lat is more within the flow of the offense. This makes it seem like Teddy shoots "too much" and Lat did really well because his shots weren't forced. Sometimes the rushed shots were needed (end of shot clock) but sometimes it was just a forced shot. If Teddy starts taking "The Best" shots for him within the offense, he by far becomes one of our biggest threats on O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbacksympathy Posted November 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, aphilso1 said: Teddy *seems* to take and miss a lot of bad shots from long range, while Lat *seems* to be deadly accurate. That's what my eyeballs were telling me this week and it seems that is what your eyes were telling you too. However, the statistics don't back that up. Teddy is 6 for 19 from three (31.6%) while Lat is 8 for 22 (36.4%). Small sample size obviously, but just based purely on the numbers neither had a great first three games from deep but they were still two of our top three shooters (Trey was tops at 40% from three). Interestingly enough, Teddy is also within striking distance of having the highest overall FG% on the team at 47.4% (Webster is inching him out at 47.6% and Shamiel was an "en fuego" 66.7% from the floor). It will be interesting to see how these numbers fluctuate as the data size expands, but at least from the early returns I think Teddy needs to have the green light from anywhere. He is a far cry from 2-for-11, regardless of what it seems like. As for Teddy's defense, yes he bites on passing lanes a lot and leaves his teammates playing 4 on 5 at times. The flip side of that is that he has 1/3 of the team's steals (13 of our total 39) while no one else has more than 5. I will take that tradeoff as long as he continues to create fast break chances off of defensive aggressiveness. Shamiel's efficiency around the rim--not just his dunks, but his high-level finishes--are one of the reasons I want him on the court more. He's also a sneaky good defender with a ton of length. His body is going to be very valuable for us in conference games. Teddy hasn't been as efficient as we'll need him to be going forward, but he's also been able to manufacture points when we really needed them. Defensively, while he does come up empty on defense sometimes, we also have so much darn length and quickness with the rest of our roster that they can really fill gaps. I said last year that we'll see Doc's coaching ability show up once we have power 5 athletes on the court, and boy has it ever. They really, really play for each other on the defensive end. I believe they'll have some intense coaching on rebounding prior to our next game. As demonstrated above, the offense and defense are both being run correctly. I can see why Fred likes this team so much. I'm sure Doc is head over heels for the defensive effort. I have the feeling they'll make us proud regardless of the W/L outcome this season. REDitus, hugh42 and Husker Hoops Penitent 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aphilso1 Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, hskr4life said: I think what probably happened is that Teddy's shots can sometimes be more "forced" while Lat is more within the flow of the offense. This makes it seem like Teddy shoots "too much" and Lat did really well because his shots weren't forced. Sometimes the rushed shots were needed (end of shot clock) but sometimes it was just a forced shot. If Teddy starts taking "The Best" shots for him within the offense, he by far becomes one of our biggest threats on O. C'mon man, he already is our biggest threat on offense. Everyone is falling in love with Lat (who is the best deep shooter but is offensively limited otherwise) and Dalano (whose length and vision are awesome but is inefficient and gun-shy when dared to shoot jumpers), but Teddy was the best all-around offensive weapon through the first three games. Husker Hoops Penitent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Peterson Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 Teddy is over 31% (6/19) on threes, which gives him a green light to shoot from deep (3rd most accurate on the team right now). But he's 12 of 19 on two-point attempts (63.2%), which means let him keep doing what he's doing. Another odd Teddy Allen stat: He currently has 19 3-point attempts, 19 2-point attempts, and 19 1-point attempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Peterson Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 That FT stat on Teddy game me another thought on him. His eFG% is higher b/c of his 2-point shooting. But when you factor in drawing and-1s and 2-shot fouls going to the rim, his driving is even more valuable. Now, if he was just hitting 80% or better from the stripe like he did in juco. Red Don 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hskr4life Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, aphilso1 said: C'mon man, he already is our biggest threat on offense. Everyone is falling in love with Lat (who is the best deep shooter but is offensively limited otherwise) and Dalano (whose length and vision are awesome but is inefficient and gun-shy when dared to shoot jumpers), but Teddy was the best all-around offensive weapon through the first three games. I would argue that Banton is our biggest offensive threat right now, but Teddy is right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49r Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 Here's Teddy's page on KenPom: Teddy Allen0 · Mesa, AZ · 6-7-98 Ht Wt Yr G %Min ORtg %Poss %Shots eFG% TS% OR% DR% ARate TORate Blk% Stl% FC/40 FD/40 FTRate FTM-A Pct 2PM-A Pct 3PM-A Pct 2021SF 104 Nebraska National Rank 6-6 223 Jr 3 69.2 114.7468 26.7213 27.9225 55.3347 56.4387 5.6 15.2 12.7 7.3226 0.0 8.48 3.4 7.2103 50.0204 11-19 .579 12-19 .632299 6-19 .316497 vs. Tier A+B* 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 vs. Tier A* 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 2018SF 12 West Virginia 5 S16 6-5 225 Fr 35 28.1 106.1 29.3 29.2 47.4 52.4 11.1 14.7 9.5 15.3 0.0 1.8 6.1 6.2 41.0 59-80 .738 88-170 .518 3-25 .120 Conference-only 16 26.9 110.3 26.7 28.4 51.2 55.6 8.5 11.1 7.8 14.5 0.0 1.8 5.1 5.2 33.7 23-29 .793 44-84 .524 0-2 .000 vs. Tier A+B* 25 26.5 107.1 26.2 27.3 47.5 53.3 8.6 13.3 8.2 14.6 0.0 1.6 6.1 6.0 43.4 41-53 .774 58-114 .509 0-8 .000 vs. Tier A* 17 23.7 97.3 26.2 25.6 42.6 50.2 7.9 12.2 12.4 14.1 0.0 2.3 7.2 6.6 54.4 28-37 .757 29-64 .453 0-4 .000 Age: 19.6 (+0.2) Similar: Deonte Burton '14 (865), Kelan Martin '15 (864), Deshaun Thomas '11 (838), Taurean Prince '14 (835), Marcellus Earlington '20 (835), More... Career 38 70-99 .707 100-189 .529 9-44 .205 vs. Tier A+B* 25 41-53 .774 58-114 .509 0-8 .000 vs. Tier A* 17 28-37 .757 29-64 .453 0-4 .000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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