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It might just be me but this is super awesome to me because we technically recruited a freshman who has a whole season of conditioning, playing time in a good league and strength conditioning at the college level. 4 years of eligibility is a big deal!!!  It’s like having an evolved Pokémon without all the leveling up (sorry to the non-nerds and old people on here.) 

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15 minutes ago, Keenan9595 said:

It might just be me but this is super awesome to me because we technically recruited a freshman who has a whole season of conditioning, playing time in a good league and strength conditioning at the college level. 4 years of eligibility is a big deal!!!  It’s like having an evolved Pokémon without all the leveling up (sorry to the non-nerds and old people on here.) 

Also a younger brother currently ranked as a 5-star. Similar to Trey/Bryce McGowens... I like Hoiberg’s strategy of recruiting big time transfers from solid basketball programs in big time basketball conferences that can then recruit their 5-star younger brothers to Nebraska.

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22 minutes ago, Nebrasketballer said:

Also a younger brother currently ranked as a 5-star. Similar to Trey/Bryce McGowens... I like Hoiberg’s strategy of recruiting big time transfers from solid basketball programs in big time basketball conferences that can then recruit their 5-star younger brothers to Nebraska.

Oh no doubt, I’m just very happy with getting a dude who doesn’t have to take a year or two to start to develops physically, he’s already started that process and can shoot.  The brother thing doesn’t hurt either.  :)

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47 minutes ago, Keenan9595 said:

It might just be me but this is super awesome to me because we technically recruited a freshman who has a whole season of conditioning, playing time in a good league and strength conditioning at the college level. 4 years of eligibility is a big deal!!!  It’s like having an evolved Pokémon without all the leveling up (sorry to the non-nerds and old people on here.) 

 

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1 hour ago, throwback said:

Heard on a couple of different radio shows today that CJ, along with Bryce, has been very impressive through the first week - better than expected.

 

 

Excellent news thus far. NU will go far with tough, top-notch players (and recruits) such as CJ (and hopefully Simeon) & the McGowens brothers. GBR

 

 

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I look at CJ as having some of the same skills as Teddy Allen without some of the baggage.

 

I think they're very similar in terms of size, skillset, athleticism (or lack thereof -- both a little less explosive than other high majors), and craftiness with scoring the ball.

 

The big difference, from what I can see, is that CJ fits our system better from a team-player perspective. He might not have explosive footspeed, but he has a lightning-quick release and ample accuracy. He doesn't seem like a guy who demands the ball in his hands like Teddy did, not the one who insists on initiating the offense, and therefore the ball doesn't stop in his hands. But when he gets the ball in catch-and-shoot situations, it's gone. You were standing right next to him and you were still too late to close out.

 

I guess time will tell whether my perceptions are accurate or not, but I kind of look at CJ as being a rich man's Teddy Allen. Or, conversely, looking at Teddy as being a poor man's CJ Wilcher.

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1 hour ago, Norm Peterson said:

I look at CJ as having some of the same skills as Teddy Allen without some of the baggage.

 

I think they're very similar in terms of size, skillset, athleticism (or lack thereof -- both a little less explosive than other high majors), and craftiness with scoring the ball....................the ball doesn't stop in his hands. But when he gets the ball in catch-and-shoot situations, it's gone. You were standing right next to him and you were still too late to close out.

 

I guess time will tell whether my perceptions are accurate or not, but I kind of look at CJ as being a rich man's Teddy Allen. Or, conversely, looking at Teddy as being a poor man's CJ Wilcher.

 

 

Love this take, Norm!!!  🎇

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Granted I have only seen Wilcher in highlights but I am not sure him and Teddy are all that similar other than lack of foot speed.  I would describe Teddy as an unorthodox, streaky YMCA style volume scorer that just gets the ball in the hoop.  Wilcher seems very much like a pure shooter to me, an old school catch-and-shoot SG.  We shall see.  I know I am really excited to see him play in a live game.

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4 hours ago, busticket said:

Granted I have only seen Wilcher in highlights but I am not sure him and Teddy are all that similar other than lack of foot speed.  I would describe Teddy as an unorthodox, streaky YMCA style volume scorer that just gets the ball in the hoop.  Wilcher seems very much like a pure shooter to me, an old school catch-and-shoot SG.  We shall see.  I know I am really excited to see him play in a live game.

 

Fine. Not arguing with that description of Teddy Allen. He's a bit unorthodox. But I've seen CJ do a lot of the step-back moves Teddy Allen would do to create space in his mid-range game. CJ is intuitive getting shots off in traffic around the rim, like Teddy. They both are quick shooters from deep and both are pretty accurate, but I expect that CJ should be a touch more accurate. I don't know, I just see a lot of similarities, all the way down to the way they carry themselves.

 

Now, Teddy's shot is unorthodox. CJ's is more "normal." I expect CJ isn't going to be the guy who wants to have the ball in his hands all the time, initiate the offense by way of some hero-ball move, and have the ball stop in his hands. But, in terms of skillset, what they're good at, they have a lot in common.

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CJ Wilcher
0 · Roselle, NJ

    Ht Wt Yr G %Min ORtg %Poss %Shots eFG% TS% OR% DR% ARate TORate Blk% Stl% FC/40 FD/40 FTRate FTM-A Pct 2PM-A Pct 3PM-A Pct
2021
SF
66 Xavier 6-5 195 Fr 15 17.9 101.6 17.0 19.6 51.1 53.3 5.2 6.2 5.7 15.6 0.7 1.9 2.9 1.9 8.9 4-4 .999 8-16 .500 10-29 .345
  Conference-only       12 23.5 110.0 15.5 18.7 55.7 57.0 4.3 8.1 7.6 12.1 0.9 1.9 2.6 1.7 5.7 2-2 .999 6-11 .545 9-24 .375
  vs. Tier A+B*       11 24.2 104.1 15.0 18.5 50.0 53.0 3.8 7.5 6.2 9.7 0.9 1.5 2.8 2.1 12.1 4-4 .999 6-10 .600 7-23 .304
  vs. Tier A*       5 27.5 99.7 13.4 16.5 43.3 47.0 5.3 11.0 6.3 7.5 2.0 1.0 3.6 2.0 13.3 2-2 .999 2-4 .500 3-11 .273
      Similar: Jayden Hardaway '20 (915), Lawson Korita '17 (908), Tanner Riley '11 (906), Thomas Bropleh '11 (906), Nemanja Mitrovic '10 (903), More...
  Career     15   4-4 .000 8-16 .500 10-29 .345
  vs. Tier A+B*     11   4-4 .000 6-10 .600 7-23 .304
  vs. Tier A*     5   2-2 .000 2-4 .500 3-11 .273
*Tier A and B represent top 50 and top 100 opponents, respectively, adjusted for game location. See game logs below for specific games.
Position identification is based on an algorithm using play-by-data.
 

2021 Game Data

      Opponent Result   Site     St MP ORtg %Ps Pts 2Pt 3Pt FT OR DR A TO Blk Stl PF  
  Mar 10 120 Butler L, 70-69 OT Neutral BE-T     20 79 28 7 2-5 1-3 0-0 1 0 0 2 0 0 1  
b.gif Mar 6 83 Marquette L, 66-59   Away BE   32 100 16 10 2-4 2-5 0-0 0 1 1 1 0 1 0  
a.gif Mar 2 63 Georgetown L, 72-66   Away BE     20 78 19 4 1-3 0-3 2-2 3 3 1 1 1 1 3  
 
a.gif Feb 27 22 Creighton W, 77-69   Home BE     10 149 11 3 0-0 1-2 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 0 1  
b.gif Feb 24 80 Providence L, 83-68   Away BE     3 - - 2 1-1 0-1 0-0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0  
  Feb 21 120 Butler W, 63-51   Home BE     6 - - 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 1 1 1 0 1 1  
a.gif Feb 16 69 St. John's L, 93-84   Away BE     12 102 10 3 0-0 1-3 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0  
a.gif Feb 13 21 Connecticut L, 80-72   Home BE     11 117 14 5 1-1 1-3 0-0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0  
 
b.gif Jan 30 120 Butler W, 68-55   Away BE     10 160 14 5 1-1 1-2 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1  
  Jan 10 80 Providence W, 74-73   Home BE     6 - - 6 0-1 2-3 0-0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0  
b.gif Jan 6 69 St. John's W, 69-61   Home BE   Did not play  
 
b.gif Dec 30 54 Seton Hall L, 85-68   Home BE     6 - - 3 0-0 1-2 0-0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0  
a.gif Dec 23 22 Creighton L, 66-61   Away BE     2 - - 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1  
  Dec 20 83 Marquette W, 91-88   Home BE     4 - - 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1  
b.gif Dec 9 39 Oklahoma W, 99-77   Home       7 - - 2 0-0 0-1 2-2 1 0 0 0 0 1 1  
b.gif Dec 6 116 Cincinnati W, 77-69   Away       3 - - 0 0-0 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1  
  Dec 2 313 Tennessee Tech W, 79-48   Home     Did not play  
 
  Nov 30 174 Eastern Kentucky W, 99-96 OT Home     Did not play  
  Nov 27 74 Toledo W, 76-73   Home     Did not play  
  Nov 26 146 Bradley W, 51-50   Home     Did not play  
  Nov 25 221 Oakland W, 101-49   Home     Did not play  
      Opponent Result   Site     St MP ORtg %Ps Pts 2Pt 3Pt FT OR DR A TO Blk Stl PF
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Teddy Allen
0 · Mesa, AZ · 6-7-98

    Ht Wt Yr G %Min ORtg %Poss %Shots eFG% TS% OR% DR% ARate TORate Blk% Stl% FC/40 FD/40 FTRate FTM-A Pct 2PM-A Pct 3PM-A Pct
2021
SF·SG
109 Nebraska 
National Rank
6-6 223 Jr 21 55.6 98.8 29.9
46
32.7
20
52.2 54.7 4.8 13.4 16.4 16.5 0.2 2.5
421
3.2 4.9
239
29.1 56-81 .691 82-168 .488 42-110 .382
365
  Conference-only
Conference Rank
      15 54.4 96.7 28.9
5
31.7
3
53.2 55.6 2.6 14.2 17.5
23
18.1 0.0 1.2 3.3 4.1
25
23.8 33-45 .733
25
54-114 .474 31-75 .413
10
  vs. Tier A+B*       17 53.7 94.6 29.8 32.9 51.6 54.2 4.1 13.4 17.1 17.6 0.3 1.4 3.1 4.2 22.7 38-51 .745 65-139 .468 34-86 .395
  vs. Tier A*       12 55.4 90.1 28.9 30.6 49.7 52.2 4.0 13.2 16.5 18.3 0.0 1.2 3.0 4.3 26.2 27-39 .692 41-94 .436 22-55 .400
  Age: 22.6 (+1.0)   Similar: Peter Jok '17 (906), Desi Rodriguez '18 (901), Peter Jok '16 (900), LJ Figueroa '20 (895), Tyler Lamb '14 (894), More...
2018
SF
12 West Virginia 5 S16 6-5 225 Fr 35 28.1 106.1 29.3 29.2 47.4 52.4 11.1 14.7 9.5 15.3 0.0 1.8 6.1 6.2 41.0 59-80 .738 88-170 .518 3-25 .120
  Conference-only       16 26.9 110.3 26.7 28.4 51.2 55.6 8.5 11.1 7.8 14.5 0.0 1.8 5.1 5.2 33.7 23-29 .793 44-84 .524 0-2 .000
  vs. Tier A+B*       25 26.5 107.1 26.2 27.3 47.5 53.3 8.6 13.3 8.2 14.6 0.0 1.6 6.1 6.0 43.4 41-53 .774 58-114 .509 0-8 .000
  vs. Tier A*       17 23.7 97.3 26.2 25.6 42.6 50.2 7.9 12.2 12.4 14.1 0.0 2.3 7.2 6.6 54.4 28-37 .757 29-64 .453 0-4 .000
  Age: 19.6 (+0.2)   Similar: Deonte Burton '14 (865), Kelan Martin '15 (864), Deshaun Thomas '11 (838), Taurean Prince '14 (835), Marcellus Earlington '20 (835), More...
  Career     56   115-161 .714 170-338 .503 45-135 .333
  vs. Tier A+B*     42   79-104 .760 123-253 .486 34-94 .362
  vs. Tier A*     29   55-76 .724 70-158 .443 22-59 .373
*Tier A and B represent top 50 and top 100 opponents, respectively, adjusted for game location. See game logs below for specific games.
Position identification is based on an algorithm using play-by-data.
 

2021 Game Data

      Opponent Result   Site     St MP ORtg %Ps Pts 2Pt 3Pt FT OR DR A TO Blk Stl PF  
a.gif Mar 10 40 Penn St. L, 72-66   Neutral B10-T   Did not play a.gif
b.gif Mar 7 79 Northwestern L, 79-78   Away B10   Did not play b.gif
a.gif Mar 4 7 Iowa L, 102-64   Away B10   Did not play a.gif
b.gif Mar 1 38 Rutgers W, 72-51   Home B10   Did not play b.gif
 
b.gif Feb 27 62 Minnesota W, 78-74   Home B10     10 38 20 0 0-1 0-2 0-0 0 1 2 1 0 2 1 b.gif
a.gif Feb 25 4 Illinois L, 86-70   Away B10   20 71 27 7 3-6 0-1 1-2 1 3 1 3 0 0 2 a.gif
b.gif Feb 23 40 Penn St. L, 86-83   Home B10 MVP 38 138 37 41 10-15 6-9 3-3 0 8 6 4 0 1 2 b.gif
a.gif Feb 20 25 Purdue L, 75-58   Home B10   19 53 34 6 3-7 0-3 0-2 0 1 2 2 0 0 0 a.gif
a.gif Feb 17 35 Maryland L, 79-71   Away B10   32 132 34 25 4-7 4-7 5-5 1 4 3 3 0 0 1 a.gif
a.gif Feb 16 35 Maryland L, 64-50   Away B10   35 97 27 18 5-9 2-6 2-4 0 5 1 1 0 1 1 a.gif
a.gif Feb 14 40 Penn St. W, 62-61   Away B10 MVP 33 106 20 14 4-7 2-4 0-0 0 6 3 2 0 0 1 a.gif
a.gif Feb 12 4 Illinois L, 77-72 OT Home B10   36 106 23 15 5-11 0-1 5-5 3 5 1 2 0 1 1 a.gif
a.gif Feb 10 14 Wisconsin L, 61-48   Home B10   25 73 33 12 1-5 3-5 1-2 1 1 2 5 0 0 4 a.gif
a.gif Feb 8 62 Minnesota L, 79-61   Away B10   Did not play a.gif
a.gif Feb 6 64 Michigan St. L, 66-56   Away B10   23 33 28 3 1-8 0-2 1-2 1 2 2 3 0 2 2 a.gif
 
b.gif Jan 10 50 Indiana L, 84-76   Home B10   39 97 27 21 3-7 3-8 6-7 0 5 1 3 0 0 5 b.gif
b.gif Jan 2 64 Michigan St. L, 84-77   Home B10   25 114 36 23 7-11 3-7 0-0 2 4 1 3 0 1 3 b.gif
 
a.gif Dec 30 11 Ohio St. L, 90-54   Away B10   22 105 30 13 1-4 2-5 5-6 0 3 2 2 0 0 4 a.gif
a.gif Dec 25 3 Michigan L, 80-69   Home B10   34 99 36 25 6-12 3-10 4-5 1 5 0 2 0 0 2 a.gif
a.gif Dec 22 14 Wisconsin L, 67-53   Away B10   25 74 27 11 1-4 3-5 0-2 0 1 1 3 0 1 5 a.gif
  Dec 17 NR Doane W, 110-64   Home     18 106 32 16 5-7 2-7 0-0 1 4 1 2 0 2 1  
a.gif Dec 11 22 Creighton L, 98-74   Away     31 111 35 26 7-14 3-6 3-4 5 4 2 4 0 2 2 a.gif
b.gif Dec 9 37 Georgia Tech L, 75-64   Home     28 72 30 10 4-11 0-5 2-2 3 0 1 2 1 1 1 b.gif
  Dec 1 159 South Dakota W, 76-69   Home     23 101 47 23 5-10 2-5 7-11 3 2 1 4 0 1 3  
 
  Nov 28 139 North Dakota St. W, 79-57   Home   MVP 31 116 28 22 6-7 3-10 1-3 0 7 2 1 0 5 2  
  Nov 26 91 Nevada L, 69-66   Home   MVP 28 111 30 17 1-4 2-7 9-13 4 2 1 0 0 5 3  
  Nov 25 340 McNeese St. W, 102-55   Home     24 114 23 14 5-8 1-2 1-3 1 4 2 2 0 3 2  
      Opponent Result   Site     St MP ORtg %Ps Pts 2Pt 3Pt FT OR DR A TO Blk Stl PF  
 
 

 

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55 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

Fine. Not arguing with that description of Teddy Allen. He's a bit unorthodox. But I've seen CJ do a lot of the step-back moves Teddy Allen would do to create space in his mid-range game. CJ is intuitive getting shots off in traffic around the rim, like Teddy. They both are quick shooters from deep and both are pretty accurate, but I expect that CJ should be a touch more accurate. I don't know, I just see a lot of similarities, all the way down to the way they carry themselves.

 

Now, Teddy's shot is unorthodox. CJ's is more "normal." I expect CJ isn't going to be the guy who wants to have the ball in his hands all the time, initiate the offense by way of some hero-ball move, and have the ball stop in his hands. But, in terms of skillset, what they're good at, they have a lot in common.


You could be spot on about CJ’s mid range game.  That is a part of his game I really don’t know much about.  It would be nice if he is a crafty scorer inside the arc; it would supplement his three point shooting nicely. He has good size for a wing and it would be nice if he could effective back down opposing wings.  I think with seasoning he will be more efficient than Teddy. I am almost more excited to see CJ than Bryce, which is probably weird since Bryce is a 5 star.

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