Coaches that you think should be on Nebraska's list, if this trend continues

[nustudent 1,324]

13 minutes ago, brfrad said:

Miles did have shiny new products.  He used those.  But, those shiny new products didn't help as much as making the tournament his second year, which is supremely better than Doc or Collier.  He went a different route for the most part to bring in talent.  He did it through players who struggled at bigger schools, and wanted to transfer.  

 

A couple records for you (as I am a big stats guy)

 

Nee (1st 7 years at NU)

 

Non-Conference  82 - 29 (.739)

Conference 44 - 63 (.411)

Ranked opponents 10 - 32 (.238)

 

3 NCAA Tournaments (0 - 3)

2 NIT (5 - 2)

Conference Tournaments (2 - 7)

 

Collier

 

Non-Conference 51 - 25 (.671)

Conference 38 - 66 (.365)

Ranked Opponents 8 - 26 (.235)

 

2 NIT (2 - 2)

Conference Tournaments (2 - 6)

 

Doc

 

Non-Conference 65 - 19 (.774)

Conference 36 - 70 (.340)

Ranked Opponents 8-24 (.250)

 

3 NIT 1 - 3

Conference Tournaments 2 - 6

 

Miles

 

Non-Conference 58 - 29 (.667)

Conference 54 - 82 (.397)

Ranked Opponents 9 - 37 (.196)

 

1 NCAA (0 - 1)

1 NIT (0 - 1)

Conference Tournaments (3 - 6)

Clearly that NCAA in year 2 didn't help that much because he parlayed it into losing seasons in 4 of the next 5 (assuming this year ends as expected).   Off the top of my head, Barry and Doc had 4 losing seasons combined in 12 years.   Miles has matched that in the last 5.   Stats can work both ways.

Again, I want to be clear...I do not think Miles is worse than Doc/Collier.   I also don't think he is better either.  He had higher highs and lower lows and it balances itself out.

 

One thing I will say though about Miles, is that his high water marks at least instill some belief and hope that this program can be successful.   Collier and Sadler could never really lay that claim.   And at the end of the day...there isn't much difference in the grand scheme of things between 16-18 and 17-14.  

 

Edited March 6, 2019 by nustudent

[HuskerND 17]

17 minutes ago, brfrad said:

Miles did have shiny new products.  He used those.  But, those shiny new products didn't help as much as making the tournament his second year, which is supremely better than Doc or Collier.  He went a different route for the most part to bring in talent.  He did it through players who struggled at bigger schools, and wanted to transfer.  

 

A couple records for you (as I am a big stats guy)

 

Nee (1st 7 years at NU)

 

Non-Conference  82 - 29 (.739)

Conference 44 - 63 (.411)

Ranked opponents 10 - 32 (.238)

 

3 NCAA Tournaments (0 - 3)

2 NIT (5 - 2)

Conference Tournaments (2 - 7)

 

Collier

 

Non-Conference 51 - 25 (.671)

Conference 38 - 66 (.365)

Ranked Opponents 8 - 26 (.235)

 

2 NIT (2 - 2)

Conference Tournaments (2 - 6)

 

Doc

 

Non-Conference 65 - 19 (.774)

Conference 36 - 70 (.340)

Ranked Opponents 8-24 (.250)

 

3 NIT 1 - 3

Conference Tournaments 2 - 6

 

Miles

 

Non-Conference 58 - 29 (.667)

Conference 54 - 82 (.397)

Ranked Opponents 9 - 37 (.196)

 

1 NCAA (0 - 1)

1 NIT (0 - 1)

Conference Tournaments (3 - 6)

This post may be the best one I've seen on this board that supports an argument I've made several times about knowing and understanding what Nebraska basketball truly is.

 

Is it the Fiddle, or the Fiddler?  These stats tell me it's not the Fiddler.

 

I'm not saying you have to accept mediocrity, I'm just saying, putting that 100% On the coach doesn't seem appropriate, given that most of them look awfully similar from me statistical standpoint.

[colhusker 3,386]

45 minutes ago, brfrad said:

Miles did have shiny new products.  He used those.  But, those shiny new products didn't help as much as making the tournament his second year, which is supremely better than Doc or Collier.  He went a different route for the most part to bring in talent.  He did it through players who struggled at bigger schools, and wanted to transfer.  

 

A couple records for you (as I am a big stats guy)

 

Nee (1st 7 years at NU)

 

Non-Conference  82 - 29 (.739)

Conference 44 - 63 (.411)

Ranked opponents 10 - 32 (.238)

 

3 NCAA Tournaments (0 - 3)

2 NIT (5 - 2)

Conference Tournaments (2 - 7)

 

Collier

 

Non-Conference 51 - 25 (.671)

Conference 38 - 66 (.365)

Ranked Opponents 8 - 26 (.235)

 

2 NIT (2 - 2)

Conference Tournaments (2 - 6)

 

Doc

 

Non-Conference 65 - 19 (.774)

Conference 36 - 70 (.340)

Ranked Opponents 8-24 (.250)

 

3 NIT 1 - 3

Conference Tournaments 2 - 6

 

Miles

 

Non-Conference 58 - 29 (.667)

Conference 54 - 82 (.397)

Ranked Opponents 9 - 37 (.196)

 

1 NCAA (0 - 1)

1 NIT (0 - 1)

Conference Tournaments (3 - 6)

Well those numbers won't make many Nebraska fans giddy

[jimmykc 3,539]

Most are already giddy from Nyquil overdosing.

[ConkTrifecta3 80]

Weve been .500 since 2000, thats the only stat i need to know that this hire needs to be different. 

[ladyhusker 839]

5 hours ago, brfrad said:

Miles did have shiny new products.  He used those.  But, those shiny new products didn't help as much as making the tournament his second year, which is supremely better than Doc or Collier.  He went a different route for the most part to bring in talent.  He did it through players who struggled at bigger schools, and wanted to transfer.  

 

A couple records for you (as I am a big stats guy)

 

Nee (1st 7 years at NU)

 

Non-Conference  82 - 29 (.739)

Conference 44 - 63 (.411)

Ranked opponents 10 - 32 (.238)

 

3 NCAA Tournaments (0 - 3)

2 NIT (5 - 2)

Conference Tournaments (2 - 7)

 

Collier

 

Non-Conference 51 - 25 (.671)

Conference 38 - 66 (.365)

Ranked Opponents 8 - 26 (.235)

 

2 NIT (2 - 2)

Conference Tournaments (2 - 6)

 

Doc

 

Non-Conference 65 - 19 (.774)

Conference 36 - 70 (.340)

Ranked Opponents 8-24 (.250)

 

3 NIT 1 - 3

Conference Tournaments 2 - 6

 

Miles

 

Non-Conference 58 - 29 (.667)

Conference 54 - 82 (.397)

Ranked Opponents 9 - 37 (.196)

 

1 NCAA (0 - 1)

1 NIT (0 - 1)

Conference Tournaments (3 - 6)

Wish I could upvote this more than once -- not because of the results, but because of the context it provides. I just don't understand the lather-rinse-repeat seven-year cycle -- history shows it's ineffective, despite a variety of coaches (and ADs) involved. At some point it seems like it's worth it to ask the extra "why".

[Norm Peterson 9,682]

16 hours ago, royalfan said:

 

I would probably be in a bad mood too if I were you.  We are all frustrated with the season, but you went on an island for Miles more than most.  So you have to deal with that frustration as well.  If I were that wrong about something, perhaps I would try to make it seem like it is impossible to win here too if my guy couldn't.  Difference is, I knew Miles wasn't a good coach a long time ago.  

 

Again, I'm sorry my attempt at humor offended you.  I wasn't trying to step on any toes; I'm genuinely surprised at your reaction.  I thought the reference to the fire swamp from "The Princess Bride" was quite apropos.  And I thought the unicorn would bring some levity to the discussion. I was obviously wrong.

 

These periods of adversity bring out the worst in us.  People aren't as interested in laughing about things.  It's one of the reasons I started an off-topic thread about barbecue sauce: I wanted us to have something to connect with that wasn't controversial.

 

I think we're nearing the end of an era for Husker hoops.  To me, that's always a sad thing.  I don't see much chance that Miles will be our coach next year.  I think I've been pretty clear about that for a very long time.  Since before the season, I predicted he'd either leave of his own accord or get shown the door.  I think we're looking at the latter of those two situations.

 

I don't know that I ever "went on an island for Miles."  I've always wanted all the coaches we've had to do well here.  I'll want the next one to do well.  I won't apologize for defending coaches from criticism that I think is unfair.  And I'm not going to go out of my way to attack the coach, either.  If that makes people think I'm "on an island" for a coach, so be it. Not going to lose sleep over that characterization.

 

But let me be clear: I recognize Miles ain't perfect.  There are holes in his game, so to speak.  But he checks as many of the boxes as any coach we've had here in awhile and his wittiness and charm at media days and social media savvy brought Husker hoops some favorable attention.  He's not going to be the subject of insulting memes like Francis "Psycho" McCaffrey.  And he wasn't bland like Barry Collier.  This is a guy you had to hope would do well here.

 

And if you didn't hope for that, then you're kind of effed up in my opinion.

 

And I think picking coaches is a crapshoot and while the next guy might be really good at things Miles wasn't so good at, it's also highly probable he won't check off all the boxes either.

 

But, whoever it is, you can know right now that as long as he's officially the head coach of the Huskers, I'll have his back.  Unapologetically.

[LK1 1,633]

19 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

I don't know that I ever "went on an island for Miles."  I've always wanted all the coaches we've had to do well here.  I'll want the next one to do well.  I won't apologize for defending coaches from criticism that I think is unfair.  And I'm not going to go out of my way to attack the coach, either.  If that makes people think I'm "on an island" for a coach, so be it. Not going to lose sleep over that characterization.

 

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that island was a fully functional and booming trade port only two months ago.  Its population was increasing at record pace before a god damned monsoon hit it.  

 

Weirdest season ever.  

[jason2486 680]

50 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

Again, I'm sorry my attempt at humor offended you.  I wasn't trying to step on any toes; I'm genuinely surprised at your reaction.  I thought the reference to the fire swamp from "The Princess Bride" was quite apropos.  And I thought the unicorn would bring some levity to the discussion. I was obviously wrong.

 

These periods of adversity bring out the worst in us.  People aren't as interested in laughing about things.  It's one of the reasons I started an off-topic thread about barbecue sauce: I wanted us to have something to connect with that wasn't controversial.

 

I think we're nearing the end of an era for Husker hoops.  To me, that's always a sad thing.  I don't see much chance that Miles will be our coach next year.  I think I've been pretty clear about that for a very long time.  Since before the season, I predicted he'd either leave of his own accord or get shown the door.  I think we're looking at the latter of those two situations.

 

I don't know that I ever "went on an island for Miles."  I've always wanted all the coaches we've had to do well here.  I'll want the next one to do well.  I won't apologize for defending coaches from criticism that I think is unfair.  And I'm not going to go out of my way to attack the coach, either.  If that makes people think I'm "on an island" for a coach, so be it. Not going to lose sleep over that characterization.

 

But let me be clear: I recognize Miles ain't perfect.  There are holes in his game, so to speak.  But he checks as many of the boxes as any coach we've had here in awhile and his wittiness and charm at media days and social media savvy brought Husker hoops some favorable attention.  He's not going to be the subject of insulting memes like Francis "Psycho" McCaffrey.  And he wasn't bland like Barry Collier.  This is a guy you had to hope would do well here.

 

And if you didn't hope for that, then you're kind of effed up in my opinion.

 

And I think picking coaches is a crapshoot and while the next guy might be really good at things Miles wasn't so good at, it's also highly probable he won't check off all the boxes either.

 

But, whoever it is, you can know right now that as long as he's officially the head coach of the Huskers, I'll have his back.  Unapologetically.

 

Great post Norm! I recently wrote a post basically saying that if we aren't going to hire someone better than Miles, then we shouldn't fire him. We better have a sure thing locked up before letting someone like Miles go.

[HuskerFever 7,080]

1 hour ago, ladyhusker said:

Wish I could upvote this more than once -- not because of the results, but because of the context it provides. I just don't understand the lather-rinse-repeat seven-year cycle -- history shows it's ineffective, despite a variety of coaches (and ADs) involved. At some point it seems like it's worth it to ask the extra "why".

 

Some may blame a vicious cycle. Other may blame the higher ups making the decisions to hire coaches who encompass riskier resumes that may lean toward that vicious cycle.

[FredsSlacks 944]

thoughts on jon scheyer? associate head coach at duke right now. is he the coach k successor or would he consider taking another job?

[Cazzie22 1,453]

Scheyer  might work but how many from the Coach K tree have been a great success? I don’t have an answer.  A new coach may flop, what else is new?  If Miles remains, he will have my support, if we hire someone new, he will have my support.  We have to get it right.

[ConkTrifecta3 80]

4 hours ago, jason2486 said:

 

Great post Norm! I recently wrote a post basically saying that if we aren't going to hire someone better than Miles, then we shouldn't fire him. We better have a sure thing locked up before letting someone like Miles go.

Really agree with this. If you are gonna make a lateral move- please dont. If you really have a bigtime hire behind the door then yes make the move. 

[The Polish Rifle 2,081]

2 minutes ago, ConkTrifecta3 said:

Really agree with this. If you are gonna make a lateral move- please dont. If you really have a bigtime hire behind the door then yes make the move. 

Out of curiosity, to the people who don’t wanna make a “lateral move”, who exactly is a lateral move and how exactly would we know that without a time machine?...is Craig Smith a lateral move? Is Bruce Weber a lateral move? Is Nate Oats a lateral move? What about Turegon? I just don’t know how the hell we would know if a guy was as good as Miles without giving them a chance? I know we don’t want a guy equal or worse than Miles but I hate to break it to everyone but that’s kind of the risk of a coaching change.

[ConkTrifecta3 80]

13 minutes ago, The Polish Rifle said:

Out of curiosity, to the people who don’t wanna make a “lateral move”, who exactly is a lateral move and how exactly would we know that without a time machine?...is Craig Smith a lateral move? Is Bruce Weber a lateral move? Is Nate Oats a lateral move? What about Turegon? I just don’t know how the hell we would know if a guy was as good as Miles without giving them a chance? I know we don’t want a guy equal or worse than Miles but I hate to break it to everyone but that’s kind of the risk of a coaching change.

 

Lateral move would be a repeat of someone with same resume of the last 3 hires. Mid major- zero success in the tournament. Lets not try that again please. 

[B-town hoopsfan 459]

10 minutes ago, ConkTrifecta3 said:

 

Lateral move would be a repeat of someone with same resume of the last 3 hires. Mid major- zero success in the tournament. Lets not try that again please. 

Might be all we can get? Or an assistant with no previous coaching experience like scheyer

[The Polish Rifle 2,081]

4 minutes ago, ConkTrifecta3 said:

 

Lateral move would be a repeat of someone with same resume of the last 3 hires. Mid major- zero success in the tournament. Lets not try that again please. 

Thank you. That paints a better picture. I'm with you (kind of) I think we should move on from Miles at the end of this season no matter what, but the new coach should have proven the ability to win in the NCAAs. 

 

If the coach comes from this list, I would think everyone be happy: Fred Hoiberg, Thad Matta, Mark Turgeon, Gregg Marshall, Billy Kennedy, Ben Howland, Shaka Smart, Kelvin Sampson. 

[FredsSlacks 944]

1 hour ago, Cazzie22 said:

Scheyer  might work but how many from the Coach K tree have been a great success? I don’t have an answer.  A new coach may flop, what else is new?  If Miles remains, he will have my support, if we hire someone new, he will have my support.  We have to get it right.

no clue, but if the alternative is a .500 coach from the mountain west with no tourney wins, i'd go with scheyer.

[lanigan123 10]

14 hours ago, nustudent said:

Our schedule has been tougher under MIles than with Doc.   Never debated that.   It's a fact.   I just have to weigh it with other facts though.   Facts like having a significantly worse record.   Facts like having significantly better resources.  Facts like having some very bad non-con losses. The credit I give him for playing a tougher schedule is negated by some of the other factors. 

I certainly don't think he is any worse than Doc/Collier.   But I don't view his tenure as being supremely better than Doc or Collier either.  

Agree completely...  like results with much better administration support like the practice facility and arena as well as a much larger salary pool for assistants. 

[Red Don 2,591]

7 hours ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

These periods of adversity bring out the worst in us.  People aren't as interested in laughing about things.  It's one of the reasons I started an off-topic thread about barbecue sauce: I wanted us to have something to connect with that wasn't controversial.

 

And a discussion of the pros & cons of different kinds of BBQ sauce isn't controversial?   

[HuskerFever 7,080]

6 hours ago, Red Don said:

And a discussion of the pros & cons of different kinds of BBQ sauce isn't controversial?   

 

I just think that my current BBQ sauce isn't getting quite the results I was hoping for. There's been a major upgrade in the quality of meat, it's cooked on a pristine grill that's only 6 years old and is consistently one of the top 15 you can find in the country, the cooks have been willing to dedicate more time and money to it. But I've been using my BBQ sauce for seven years now and it just hasn't quite elevated things to quite the level I was hoping for.

 

Should I search for a new BBQ sauce, or do you think I should continue as is and hope for better results?

[jimmykc 3,539]

Or become a vegetarian and quit worrying about the sauce altogether?

[nustudent 1,324]

10 hours ago, ConkTrifecta3 said:

Really agree with this. If you are gonna make a lateral move- please dont. If you really have a bigtime hire behind the door then yes make the move. 

Not advocating for a lateral move...but staying with Miles only digs the hole deeper with this program.  That's not meant to be a slight on Miles more than what we already know of him.  It's meant that things will only get worse.   If people are using administrative support as an excuse now....that only goes down if he's retained.   Local media and fan base will become restless and apathetic creating a toxic culture (even moreso) around the program.   If people think the existing contract situation has hindered recruiting, it only gets worse after this if he is retained.

 

If nothing else, the new coach, lateral or not, will be starting fresh, which we need at this point.

[khoock 1,464]

I would never guess this is a thread about potential new HCs based on the last few pages.

[Bill Self's Toupee 174]

11 minutes ago, khoock said:

I would never guess this is a thread about potential new HCs based on the last few pages.

 

i think it shows there is quite a bit of soul-searching going on among the fanbase.