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  1. I agree with Dean. I don't think the poll results reflect a population that really understands what they're voting on. So I'm not sure what you can make of the results, if anything. And I'm afraid I must not have been doing a very good job of explaining my position on all of this. Let me try once more: You have a coach. The money you pay him at this point isn't necessarily just about compensating him based on his performance. Part of what you're doing with extensions, etc., is nurturing the program itself. The people who are focused on the fact that a big extension now and firing him next year would mean he'd get some kind of huge, undeserved windfall, are, in my opinion, focusing on the wrong thing. That might all be true, but it's not the most important consideration. In my opinion, the people who are most worried that Miles could "hit the jackpot" by getting fired after a longer extension are leaping over dollars to save pennies. This program has a value independent of and far larger than what we're paying the coach. You have to nurture the program. Part of having a program is having a coach. You (the AD) chose not to fire the guy this year. In my opinion, given that you didn't fire him, it is untenable to not extend him generously now even if you have to fire him next year. We just got done with one of the best seasons in the modern history of the program and we needed to leverage the obvious success (finishing top 4 in conference) in order to lay groundwork for further success down the road, including on the recruiting trail. By not being decisive and swift about either terminating the coach or extending him (to a normal-length deal), Moos screwed the pooch. He basically deprived us of any opportunity to leverage the objective success we had this year and use it to pave the way for further success in the future, regardless of who the coach is. Miles has been hamstrung in recruiting ever since Shawn Eichorst decided to not extend him two years ago. I think we've seen the results of that decision playing out on NLI signing days ever since. It's to the point that, even if we have a successful run next season, make it to the dance and win a game or two, the stable is going to be basically empty for the following year. We aren't going to have the horses to compete the year after, and we're going to be right back to where we are now. Or, actually, in worse shape. Those of you whose primary focus is that you don't want to see Miles get paid one damn dime in buyout because you think his performance doesn't justify the pay he's getting? I think you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.
    9 points
  2. I understand where you are coming from and I am not disagreeing or disparaging your opinion. But....for me, I am not OK with Moos putting all of his attention on football. I choose basketball over football all day long and from my point of view he didn't just not give it the attention it deserved, he went out of his way and hurt the program going forward whoever ends up coaching the team two years from now.
    6 points
  3. Here's the thing -- I think 2018-19 is only another do-or-die year because that's what the narrative became after the season. Rewind six-ish weeks. Selection Sunday just happened and we were left out, but Bill Moos had spent the last week calling everyone in his phone to tell them how awesome Nebrasketball is. We're sitting at 22-10, which by most standards (especially in Nebraska) is a good season. We had a double-bye in the Big Ten Tournament, and yes, we lost to Michigan, but so did a couple really good teams, so while that sucks, it's not like we're not in good company. And the NIT may have inexplicably just crapped on us, but it's a team we played once already to start the season and jumped out to a 20-point lead at halftime so a win isn't impossible. Let's say that, at that point, the AD announces that despite what the committee decided, this was a really good season and we believe we're heading the right direction (because dang it, everyone who ever met Bill Moos in a bar once at a Final Four has heard from him this week about how great this team is and why we deserved to be in the tourney), and so with that in mind, we're looking forward to building on this year's success and taking the next step in 2018-19 with Tim Miles, who has received a 2-year extension. Could he still fire Miles if next year goes poorly? Sure. But does it also highlight the good things about this season (I can think of at least 22 of them right off the bat...) and give us a little momentum in the offseason? Yep. Maybe we still lose in Starkville, but maybe everyone isn't so pissed off when they go, knowing that at least their administration thinks they accomplished something. Or maybe we even say this conversation and announcement all happens after Moos and Miles met the first time...probably still works out OK. Instead, we got a whole bunch of silence, a ton of rumors (some of which may or may not be true, but it plants speculation regardless), and now a pall over what could have been a pretty important offseason with a coach who now looks like a lame duck and an AD who looks like he doesn't believe in his coach. All this so he could weigh out whether to fire a guy who just got a school record for conference wins and placed 4th in the Big Ten? Wait on it a year. If we suck, call your coach of choice and offer him a boatload of money then, and we're really no worse for it. If we win, great, we've got a winner. But this do-or-die narrative was cosigned, if not created, by the administration's lack of support and decisive action at the appropriate time. The ultimatum season didn't need to happen. Maybe Shawn Eichorst painted Bill Moos into a corner, but Moos turned around and pooped in it. He (and his staff) had the opportunity to write their own narrative and this is what they chose. I think that's certainly worthy of criticism, because I think all this could have all been avoided with some competent PR, and instead, we're treated to a doom-and-gloom offseason and a pressure cooker inside PBA next year.
    6 points
  4. If you're the PR guy, I don't think that's quite how you want to sell it.
    6 points
  5. The point I was making is that most "fans" are just happy to have something to do between the Bowl game and Spring Football. Remember last season was supposed to be Tim's "prove it" year and now he get's to have another one. I find the lack of commitment to Tim and the Program not only troubling, but disheartening on an institutional level...
    5 points
  6. Tough call in determining who has more upside between him and one of the multiple open spots we'll likely have.
    5 points
  7. Let's talk about that tweet they sent out yesterday. It looks like everyone is there, working hard. They showed a ton of JPJ, Cope and Roby. I don't know it gave me hope that maybe just maybe all our doubts, doomsday fears, negative bs we've been feeling the past few weeks isn't as bad as we thought. Maybe, these young guns like playing together and are bought in. Maybe they are ready to take the next step, because they came so close last. Yes, we need a new recruiting coordinator/assistant coach that can bring in talent. The X-Man decommitment sucks. But I remain hopeful until it all blows up in my face that we could have another good year next year.
    4 points
  8. Our brand...great fans, great facilities, primed to hit big time.
    3 points
  9. 9 point and 6 boards a game in the A-10 is worth one of those eyebrow raises from the Rock. Wouldn't mind having him at all.
    3 points
  10. Iowa basketball has at least one Rivals 4-star committed in every class from 2016 to 2019.
    2 points
  11. I think this might be an agree-to-disagree thing, but I do think the expected outcome is assumed differently in the two scenarios. A multi-year contract extension assumes good seasons are ahead. A one-year contract extension assumes a poor outcome unless you can prove it wrong. At the risk of getting a little too Eichorst-y, it makes a heck of a difference how you perform when someone thinks you'll succeed vs. when someone thinks you'll fail. Moos and Co. have basically said they expect Miles to fail. How do you go about proving him wrong without turning into Bo Pelini and making it an us-against-them thing? That's a pretty fine line to balance, and while it's possible, I continue to believe that creating the need for it was unnecessary. You can turn your nose up at the "goodwill" stuff, but personally, I think that's a mistake because I think the fact that we're even having this conversation means that it matters.
    2 points
  12. He certainly wouldn't make that program any worse than it was this last season.
    2 points
  13. You've got 3 open scholarships. Need a post player, too, but you can take a guy like Mitchell with that other one without any reservation, IMO.
    2 points
  14. Then I’m slow because I don’t know what that is supposed to tell me. How many of those fans actually know that a one year extension is not necessarily a good thing. I heard on the Carriker Chronicles Adam say he supported the one year extension because it was an extension and he saw that as support for Miles. Some people voted yes on the extension as a sign of suppprort, some were supporting Miles and some were supporting Moos and some likes that they thought it showed little support for Miles and some thought that one year was what he deserved after the six he put in so far and all of my musings here are simply conjecture. There’s not enough detail in the poll to really tell you anything at all.
    2 points
  15. We seem to get Maryland frequently but not a bad draw otherwise.
    2 points
  16. nustudent

    2018 Transfer Market

    Can he get lost on defense consistently and make a highlight reel block once every 6 games. If so...sign him up!
    2 points
  17. khoock

    2018 Transfer Market

    I was gonna say 9 and 6 in the A-10 gets me a little more excited than 3 and 4 in the Big South.
    2 points
  18. You can get $.05 a can in California, $.10 for a plastic bottle.
    2 points
  19. My impression of Chang is that he is a bit of a fall back offer for Nebraska and Creighton. I think both would take him but both have reservations about him. A local kid with some talent and potential but with some questions as well. No real inside info here, just my gut feeling.
    2 points
  20. I could see Allen logging 10-15 minutes at the PG then 10-15 mins at shooting guard.
    1 point
  21. I think you missed the point of @Norm Peterson post. The majority, if not all, of recruits know the length of a coaches contract. They do not dig any deeper than that. They don't have the time or energy to do a deep dive and understand the nuances. A recruit is being pursued by multiple teams. They are buried in the process of recruiting along with juggling everything else in their lives. They are more focused on what it is going take to play as soon as possible, because that is the goal of the most of them. The length of contract is reality. Competing coaches can try to spin it however they want but a 4/5 contract is a 4/5 year contract and a 3 year contract is a 3 year contract. Those contracts say a lot to a recruit because it is understandable to them.
    1 point
  22. I hope Roby has a season good enough to be ranked that high. He has much to improve upon but he has much ability and I am happy he is a Husker.
    1 point
  23. Dean Smith agrees with me, so I got that going for me. Which is nice.
    1 point
  24. I have no problem with Moos putting all of his attention on football initially. We are Nebraska. We have been lost in the wilderness for about twenty years....he had to get it nailed down. Moving in to basketball, I don’t know how you fire a guy who just finished fourth in the B1G. Period. End of discussion. We are historically a bottom feeder in men’s hoops so this was a damn good season. Just ended poorly. I totally understand wanting to do better; I feel like we can do better but Miles may be at his ceiling. I guess I would put it this way.....you don’t fire Solich after 9 wins. It has a really bad look. You fire him after 7-7. I would have given Miles a 2 year extension and moved on. Why? Have you looked at the baseball mess? I don’t think Moos wants to replace the men’s head coaches of all 3 major programs while he is still figuring out where to pick up his mail. Miles did more with less this year. Erstad is doing less with more. He has all the advantage over our conference breatheran. He has had plenty of time. His assistants are bad and he won’t replace them. But he is a seriously famous alum..... I would not want to deal with that one. bottom line is Moos had a lot on his plate walking in the door. Kind of left basketball dangling but if he gets football right he will have latitude in the other sports.
    1 point
  25. Might be worth having the caveat that this assumes that all parties (including prospective coaches and recruits) have the same knowledge we do about the state of the program.
    1 point
  26. 35th pick in 2019. About filled my pants before I reread it to see it was 19 instead of 18. I would say w a good year he’s got a chance to crack the top 20 because I had only heard of like 2 of his top 20 guys and the rest were current high school players.
    1 point
  27. Up arrow about a gallon times. Should be gallizion or how ever you spell it.
    1 point
  28. Great. That means he'll be a solid first-rounder in 2020.
    1 point
  29. I’d roll the dice on Mitchell if Xavier and the new kid ultimately say no thanks
    1 point
  30. Believe CU is pushing the prep school angle and then see where he is and he does like CU a lot. If we are looking for a true PG which we should be he would be a nice fall back option. If he gets a little stronger I think he can play. If NU were to offer for this fall I think we could get him as I am not sure he wants to go Prep school but does want to try higher D1 ball and all his currently offers are mid majors (including a final four squad)
    1 point
  31. Here's your brand: one of the best seasons in school history resulted in a first round loss in the NIT.
    1 point
  32. Mitchell ended up being ranked the best play in the state if that’s worth anything. If we miss out on Amir Harris I don’t think taking a chance on him would be a terrible idea, he would need to redshirt tho. If push came to shove and we could just land Mitchell Chang and wingett(grades seem to be an issue) on top of Davis and Heiman I’d actually be pretty excited about the class. None would be high level contributors their first year but I’m not sure we really need that
    1 point
  33. If they can play, they can play. You don't need 6'5" point guards to be good in college. Stay away from the 5'7" guys...but 6' is plenty tall enough for a point guard in college. If Creighton wants him...we should too.
    1 point
  34. (Insert gif of nail being hit on the head here)
    1 point
  35. We have the market cornered on hardly 6 foot tall guards. Would not think too much about us pursuing Shereef. Last I heard CU was looking for a prep school to place him at, similar to what they did with Khyri Thomas
    1 point
  36. Agreed. I’d also offer Wingett if there’s any hope he qualifies
    1 point
  37. Season tickets are a bargain with that slate.
    1 point
  38. Here's your "Brand" : your Coach just had one of the best seasons in school history and you gave him a reach-around as a thank you. Do you think that will cause other coaches &/or players to flock to Lincoln?
    1 point
  39. Last years was balanced too until Minnesota, NW and Wisconsin fell apart and fell far short of expectations.
    1 point
  40. I think he is a must get for this staff. Hear me out: Through the Sadler and Miles eras, we have constantly relied on diamonds in the rough or out-of-state players. While many of those guys have been my favorites through the years, how many NCAA tournament wins have they gotten us? We all know the answer to that. I am ready to see us taking more chances on in-state kids. No offense to guys like Thor, who might turn out to be great, but why not focus more on kids within a 50-to-100 mile radius. I find it somewhat sad we take chances on kids from Iceland and Australia, yet not very often with the locals. With Chang's height and length, as well as his shooting ability and athleticism, to me, he is a no-brainer. I understand that grades could be a hold up. However if they are not, we need to get him. If Creighton beats us out, consider me pissed.
    1 point
  41. He's super talented, but he's little. He'd need a year to bulk up. I've been pro Mitchell for a while, I think it'd be a good move, but he's probably not an impact player from day one. I'd still circle back on Wingett. I've been on that train for a couple years now.
    1 point
  42. With the Xavier Johnson out now it absolutely makes no sense for either Nana or Thor to leave, unless Miles wants them too. 50 minutes of playing time are is up for grabs and as of now its just Tom, Nana, and Thor competing for them. Sorry, and Karrington Davis
    1 point
  43. The obvious answer is that if Moos cared one iota about Nebrasketball, then he would have had a teleportation transfer devise to go back and forth between both. Duh!
    1 point
  44. No room for excuses. Time to put the big boy pants on.
    1 point
  45. Would've expected this to be announced by now if it were actually going to happen. Also wouldn't have probably seen him in that little offseason workouts montage that was tweeted out yesterday.
    1 point
  46. While his language was harsh for some to take, we now know that Pelini was dead on in his description of SE.
    1 point
  47. 49r

    Nebrasketball: Our Brand

    I would kill to develop a hoops pedigree like Oklahoma's. In the modern era of the NCAA tournament they have nearly as many Elite Eight appearances as we have trips to the dance all time. Without doing a whole lot of digging I would say they're probably second to only Kansas in the Big 12 (current or former) in terms of hoops success. And OU ain't as far behind KU as one might think...
    1 point
  48. When they announced the one-year extension, my son sent me a text that said, "It's like the university doesn't want to be good at basketball." You are correct. It doesn't matter how much confidence Moos has in Miles behind the scenes. This has been handled terribly out in public.
    1 point
  49. Struggle understanding the 1-year deal, but whatever. Moos was in an awkward position. He's going to be criticized no matter what. Don't think Miles leaves for another school. Even with a good year (NCAA bid and win) next year, that brings his tenure here up to mediocre on the surface. No other blue blood is coming in offering $2.5MM+ for a guy who is barely over .500. And if he does that...that makes two years in a row where we don't suck. I think that's a big thing the administration is looking for. Can we sustain anything? Have we built anything? Through 6 years, the answers to those questions are...no. IMO, I think the admin wants to see a foundation built. Some stability. Some consistency. They don't want simply a flash in the pan year every 4-5 years. Should Miles be successful next year, that's two in a row and gives the appearance there is some substance there. Personally, I don't see it ending well. And thought that before and after the extension debate. I think Copeland is gone. Even with Roby and Palmer back....that leaves us incredibly thin in the front court. Jordy isn't good and Roby is terrific. But one good player to man 80 minutes of frontcourt time a game isn't a good thing. And we essentially stopped recruiting this class in January and only hope would be a grad transfer (whom we haven't heard about us even going for from a big man perspective yet). Coupled with the lack of front court depth, we still aren't a great shooting team. Never thought, despite the success, we were a great team this last year. We were talented, but felt too often the sum was less than the individual parts, even in our wins. And the fact that as of this point, we will be a less talented team than last year, coupled with a corrected Big 10 and I don't feel great about us doing great things. Don't think the contact extension conversation applies to 2018-2019. It will the years following due to recruiting high school talent.
    1 point
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