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Well, if you think about it like this: - If we win we will land some guys - If we lose and Miles gets fired the guys signed now have a high likelihood of asking out of their LOI Then it's no biggie Part of being around here so long is mastering the art of rationalizing our problems

You know we can't say specifics, because the unknowns on this team are through the roof. 1. Copeland... will his back be okay, and how will he mesh with this new team. Will he go all Terran Petteway and think he has to do everything, or will he play within the system? 2. How much PT will Thomas Allen get and will he be even remotely close to his shooting % in high school. How many minutes will he get, and where will he spend the majority of his minutes? 3. James Palmer does anyone know what his strengths are? We he be a 2 or is he more of a 3 type player. I don't know if anyone know what we are going to get out of him. 4. Nana Akenten will he get minutes? Will he play his true 2 position if he does? Does he just redshirt this year? 5. Anton Gill the biggest mystery of all. Does he get meaningful minutes? Does he play anywhere near to what he was like coming out of high school? How many minutes does he get if he gets any at all? Do he mesh better with his North Carolina team mates Copeland and Allen? 6. Does Roby progress enough to be the player we all think he can be... A 6'8 forward with guard like abilities? Does his shot develope enough to make him a legit outside threat? 7. How many meaningful minutes can we get out of Tshimanga. Does he take his game to the next level? 8. Is Duby a legit back up to Tshimanga, and how many minutes will be needed from him? 9. Will Watson be more of a facilitator this year, because of the talent around him? 10. What is Evan Taylor new role on this team? How many minutes does he get and at what position? There are probably a dozen more unknowns, but there is a reason for the hype. The hype is coming from the fact we have a legit 1, 3, 4, and 5 and the possibilities at the 2 position are ridiculous. Go back to every year before this and you will not see a team that is a complete as this one as far as legit talent for specific positions... that actually get to play their position of strength. Go to the team the year after we made the tournament we had a LOT of talent on that team, but we had no true post and we had role playing point guard. So as talented as that team was we played some players out of their natural positions... Pitchford and Rivers come to mind on that team

I'd say it's too early for something that specific. I think it's safe to expect Watson and Copeland to get starter's minutes, and they're hoping Roby and Tshimanga progress enough to get those minutes as well. After that, I think they're still sorting things out. I think Copeland's athleticism and potnetial shooting ability make him pretty easy to play with pretty much any combination of players on this roster. Roby, Copeland and Tshimanga could form a pretty fun front-line though.

I am posting this in reference to what 49'r posted on page 21 of the Starting 5 thread Interesting enough according to the recruiting site ratings we do have Top 3 talent in the Big 10... if we were to go by recruit rankings that is on a current roster. I am going to list all the schools players that are on their current roster that were ranked in the Top 150 or better... *** NOTE: No player is listed if they were not rated in the Top 150 of a recruiting site *** *** NOTE 2: This is based on active rosters so I used direct sources from the schools website to see who is still currently playing and matched it to Rivals recruit lists. Also I included transfers that were highly rated like Copeland (NU), Doorson (Rutgers) or Matthews (Michigan). You will not see any irrelevant 5* or 4* recruits that are no longer on the team... Enjoy *** Top 150 = 1pts Top 100 = 2pts Top 50 = 3pts Top 25 = 4pts Top 10 = 5pts Illinois = 12pts Leron Black = Top 50 Aaron Jordan = Top 100 Tejon Lucas = Top 150 Mark Smith = Top 100 Trent Frazier = Top 100 De'monte Williams = Top 100 Indiana = 11pts Clifton Moore = Top 150 Justin smith = Top 150 De'Ron Davis = Top 50 Curtis Jones = Top 100 Robert Johnson = Top 50 Juwan Morgan = Top 150 Iowa = 5pts Tyler Cook = Top 100 Luke Garza = Top 150 Conner McCaffery = Top 100 Maryland = 15pts Dion Wiley = Top 100 Michal Cekovinski = Top 150 Jared Nickens = Top 150 Kevin Heurter = Top 100 Anthony Cowan = Top 50 Justin Jackson = Top 100 Daryll Marcell = Top 100 Bruno Fernando = Top 100 Michigan = 10pts Moritz Wagner = Top 100 Jon Teske = Top 150 Xavier Simpson = Top 100 Isaiah Livers = Top 150 Jordan Brooks = Top 150 Charles Matthews = Top 50 Michigan State = 26pts Tum Tum Naird = Top 100 Matt McQuaid = Top 100 Myles Bridges = Top 10 Winston Cassius = Top 50 Joshua Langford = Top 25 Nick Ward = Top 50 Jaren Jackson = Top 10 Xavier Tillman = Top 100 Minnesota = 8pts Amir Coffee = Top 100 Dupree McBrayer = Top 150 Jordan Murphy = Top 150 Eric Curry = Top 150 Isaiah Washington = Top 100 Matz Stocksman = Top 150 Nebraska = 15pts Glynn Watson = Top 100 James Palmer = Top 100 Isaiah Roby = Top 150 Isaac Copeland = Top 25 Anton Gill = Top 50 Thomas Allen = Top 150 Nana Akenten = Top 150 Jordy Tshimanga = Top 150 Northwestern = 7pts Vic Law = Top 100 Aaron Falzon = Top 100 Barret Benson = Top 150 Rapolas Ivanaukas = Top 100 Ohio State = 11pts Jae'Sean Tate = Top 100 Keita Bates'Diop = Top 50 Musa Jallow = Top 150 Kyle Young = Top 150 Kaleb Wesson = Top 100 Kam Williams = Top 100 Penn State = 7pts Lamar Stephens = Top 100 Tony Carr = Top 50 Josh Reaves = Top 150 Mike Watkins = Top 150 Purdue = 9pts Isaac Hass = Top 100 Vince Edwards = Top 150 Dakota Mathias = Top 150 Ryan Cline = Top 150 Carson Edwards = Top 100 Nojel Eastern = Top 100 Rutgers = 6pts Da'Shawn Freeman = Top 100 Corey Sanders = Top 100 Mamadou Doucoure = Top 150 Shaquille Doorson = Top 150 Wisconsin = 8pts Brad Davidson = Top 100 Nathan Reuvers = Top 100 Alex Illikainen = Top 150 Brevin Pritzl = Top 100 Ethan Happ = Top 150 So according to this list Nebraska sits at #2 in recruit rankings currently on a roster... 1. Michigan State = 26 T2. Nebraska = 15 T2. Maryland = 15 4. Illinois = 12 T 5. Indiana = 11 T 5. Ohio State = 11 7. Michigan = 10 8. Purdue = 9 T 9. Minnesota = 8 T 9. Wisconsin = 8 T 11. Northwestern = 7 T 11. Penn State = 7 13. Rutgers = 6 14. Iowa = 5

yeah, and paper doesn't suffer season ending knee injuries, hip pointers or chronic plantar fasciitis either

Last I heard which was in early August was that Isaiah was 230 Sent from my VS500PP using Tapatalk

Yeah, borderline for sure. But I think we're going with Rivals as kind of the standard for the sake of this discussion.

Okay so I did a quick look on Rivals to see how many top 150 guys each B1G roster has, and since it's difficult to track transfers I could only quickly find players on current rosters that were recruited out of HS as a 150 guy. Here's how it stacks up: Michigan State 9 Ohio State 9 Illinois 8 Michigan 8 Maryland 6 Wisconsin 6 Indiana 5 Minnesota 4 Nebraska 4 Northwestern 4 Penn State 4 Purdue 4 Iowa 2 Rutgers 1 These are HS ONLY numbers, not including transfers. If you add NU's transfers in they would be #5 in the league against all other teams' non-transfer numbers. I'd venture to guess that Maryland down to Purdue would have similar numbers of top 150 guys transferring in, but I didn't have the patience to go track that down.

Quick and dirty from verbal commits Middle of the pack seems about right especially when you're able to lay out the other teams. BTW, Wisconsin is generally low and proof that team chemistry, roster composition, and coaching can take you further than what the numbers might project.

Wow, I mean I think that's being extremely generous. I haven't looked at it in that much depth, but I'd be shocked if it weren't AT LEAST half the conference with more "talent" on their roster than ours. Honestly, in terms of Rivals 150 type talent, we're probably in the bottom third of the league right now.

If we snag Xavier Johnson i wont be too worried. That fills two ships and if we have the type of season many hope/expect we will be an attractive spot for late bloomers, RS transfer and Grad transfers.

Too much uncertainty at NU to come to Lincoln. Who knows how Miles is going to get along with his new boss....

To you, sure, I'm sure you believed that. Not doubting you. But there have been a handful of times over the years where that was said (not ascribing to any one inparticular...). Foolhardy or otherwise. We tend to get wrapped up into these optimistic states before the season starts (I've been guilty of this) and think we're better than we actually are. Until I see it on the court, I'm not gonna do that. That's all I'm saying. And if Pitchford had built off that sophomore season instead of turtleing up, you'd have had something to work with at the 5.

But on the flip side, I had the thought pop into my head that if anyone is happy that football and SE are under the microscope, it's Tim and his guys because that shifts the torches and pitchfork talk away from them for foreseeable future.

I doubt these guys stay for a full game nor really care who wins...overall it's 90k+ at the stadium plus all the bustle that goes along with it. It just reallllllllly sucks if you're a Husker fan.

...as long as they are in basketball shape! Whatever that means