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    uneblinstu's postgame chatter: Vol: 10; ed: 5 - Advocare Invitational - Central Florida


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    I only got to watch or listen to spurts of the first half. What I heard and saw was pretty ugly and felt pretty typical of what I've watched the past few years.

     

    Second half:

    • They hit a couple shots early and brought a lot more energy.
    • Switched the defense up that got UCF out of sorts.
    • I liked Jordy getting physical with Tacko.
    • NU seems to get out hustled a lot. NU needs to be junk-yard dogs. They're not most of the time. The opponent has been more often.
    • This is the best Jordy has looked all year.
    • Palmer and Watson showed up today.
    • They had a chance to cut it to 4 a couple of times. Jordy missed the front end, then UCF hit a 3 from a dude who'd been 1-8 on the season. Then, NU gets a bucket and a turnover, Glynn takes a quick 3 and then Jordy about killed a dude. Game was all but over at that point.
    • The next two are winnable. Make sure it happens. Nobody's gonna be watching tomorrow and, assuming Marist doesn't shock the world, they're gonna be winless on the season. Gotta end up in that 5th place game on Sunday. They *should* be the best team of those 4 that lost today. Doubtful I'll get to the chatter tomorrow.

     

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    Nothing is easy!  We’ll have to earn every win.  Doesn’t mean not beating teams by 20 is a “bad” thing.  Look at Purdue and Arizona who will meet in the 7th place game!

     

    We really need to find some gel and mojo.  One thing we are missing is “the guy.”  The guy who says “damnit, this shit ain’t happening again” when we haven’t scored for a few possessions.  The guy that says “give me the rock and I’ll put it in the hole.” We have multiple guys who could be that guy.  It’ll come around (I hope).  Don’t let two early season losses get to us.  

     

    While UCF and St. John’s might have the better team now (maybe, because we played like poo for 3/4 quarters).  I can confidently say that we have the higher ceiling come March.  

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    41 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

    I can confidently say that we have the higher ceiling come March.  

     

    Tough to win in March when you aren't a good shooting team (currently under 40% from the field, 30% from three). What makes you confident we will improve? I legitimately want to know why people think things will improve (other than hope).

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    2 hours ago, brfrad said:

    What rankings are you looking at?  As of Monday, KenPom had St John's 48th, and UCF 64th.  Their RPI's are 28th and 22nd respectively. 

     

    We really should be 9 - 4 in non conference.  That means a 7 - 11 record is all we need in conference to go 16 - 15.  Still doable. 

     

    Watson has struggled trying to be the stud scorer and shooter this year.

    Palmer had a nice 2nd half.  Hopefully he can carry that on going forward.  Really need him to take pressure off Watson.

    Taylor has been decent.  Seems to have a better stroke from 3 than last year.  Doesn't shoot very many, though.

    Copeland had a big game, and then struggled offensively, again.  Need more consistency from him.

    Jordy had his best half of the season in the 2nd half.

    Okeke is a foul waiting to happen.

    Roby had his worst outing of the year.  Not much he could do going up against a guy 9 inches taller than him.

    McVeigh is giving nothing to this team.

    Gill has had 2 solid games.  Hopefully can give this team something offensively to help off the bench.

    Allen's injury is a bummer.  Really need him to get healthy for his shooting.

    Nana and Thor should have redshirted.

     

    This team needs all it's parts playing well.  That hasn't happened, yet.  Doesn't mean it won't happen.

    Warren Nolan realtime rpi which ignores non d1 opponents and lists both 2013 and 2017.

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    6 hours ago, dustystehl said:

     

    Tough to win in March when you aren't a good shooting team (currently under 40% from the field, 30% from three). What makes you confident we will improve? I legitimately want to know why people think things will improve (other than hope).

     

    If you read the post again, I said we have the higher ceiling.  I didn’t say we will do better.  I think that’s 100% true.  We have a lot more solid pieces than either of those two teams.  Our ceiling is much higher now actually.

     

    Improvement is something different than my post above.  I don’t think we can confidently say after 5 games that this isn’t going to be a good team or good shooting team.  I can see improvement from previous years already just by looking at the players this year vs last.

     

    Improvement will naturally happen over a period of time.  Now improvement and confidence are two different things.  I don’t think with our shooting woes we lack the inability to improve.  I think we lack confidence.  Palmer, Glynn, Copeland, Allen etc. are all capeable.  I think you need to look no further than Taylor to see that we improve, but we also lack confidence.

     

    As I mentioned in another post, we need “the guy.”  We need someone who can score when the basket looks like a nail hole to everyone.  That is our problem right now.  When things start going bad, everyone panics.  We need someone to step up and score.  When the basket looks like an ocean, everyone will score.  We just need to find someone to turn the nail hole into an ocean.

     

    Once again, I can confidently say that our ceiling is much higher than the two teams we have lost to.  We just need to find the right ladders to get us there.  I also believe that we need to keep in mind that this group of guys has played a grand total of 5 games together.  4 if our top 8 are new to the program.  I think it’ll start to gel.  I think January could be a really fun month.  We have to take our lumps early though.

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    After taking a few hours to get over that debacle, I think (1) The season is still early, too soon to write it off (2) Hopes of 2014 repeating is fool's gold, not a legitimate expectation. If this season is going to be different, then we need to see something in the next few weeks to build upon. This just doesn't look like a team right now, we're sub-100 in the analytics ratings. (3) I won't be ready to jump on board the analysis of what's wrong and who the next coach will be until it's obvious this season is a bust. (4) Burp.

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    11 hours ago, brfrad said:

    We have to play a majority zone defense this season.  Mix in man to man to change it up.

     

    Why can't all our guys have a good night at the same time?  Palmer has a good night, but Copeland and Watson have a terrible night.

     

    Not a big fan of the sub pattern in the 2nd half.  Gill with only 3 minutes was questionable.  I kind of understand going with the guys that trimmed the lead, but he finally has some confidence in his shot.

     

    Allen must be banged up. 

     

    Can't shoot 34 % and allow the other team to shoot 51 % and expect to win.

    Watson has 11 points, 4 rebounds, 7 assists and 4 steals.  Far from a "terrible night."  Yes he was 5/17 from field, but still, far from terrible.

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    8 hours ago, AuroranHusker said:

    Welp.... Marist shot about 75% in the 2nd half against WVU. Only lost 84-78 to the Mountaineers. Game had been 65-50 at one point...

     

    The closest margin was actually 67-67 with 5:36 left in the 2nd. Knowing our luck, Marist will be ready to play today.

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    28 minutes ago, BjoeHusker said:

    Watson has 11 points, 4 rebounds, 7 assists and 4 steals.  Far from a "terrible night."  Yes he was 5/17 from field, but still, far from terrible.

    Sorry, I meant shooting.

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    8 hours ago, Blackshirt83 said:

    Warren Nolan realtime rpi which ignores non d1 opponents and lists both 2013 and 2017.

     

    Those ratings are bunk for end of season evaluation. Both st John's and UCF should be high quality loses at the end of the year

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    Glynn is shooting like freshman year Glynn. If we can hide Jack or even Nana in a zone that could help our shooting woes.

     

    Was Palmer attacking in the first half? I think his hang in the air game can be effective vs giant slower dudes like Tacko vs springy guys like sju had

     

     

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    13 TOs doesn't seem like a lot but it's a lot against a team like UCF that doesn't put pressure on you.  Needed it to be a single digit number.

    We outshot UCF in terms of volume by winning the turnover and rebounding battle...that's what we needed to do and part of the reason this wasn't a blowout.

    How much did the fouls and height take Roby out of his game? (I didn't get to watch a ton). 0-2 on two 3pt attempts? 0 assists? The staff needs to encourage him to be more assertive.

     

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    37 minutes ago, hhcdimes said:

     

    Those ratings are bunk for end of season evaluation. Both st John's and UCF should be high quality loses at the end of the year

     

     

    If St John's or UCF win the Advocare Invitational it might be enough to get them ranked next week.

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    3 hours ago, BjoeHusker said:

    Watson has 11 points, 4 rebounds, 7 assists and 4 steals.  Far from a "terrible night."  Yes he was 5/17 from field, but still, far from terrible.

     

    How does Watson have his career high for assists on a night we don't score 60?  I'd say that's hard to do.

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    3 hours ago, Chuck Taylor said:

    (2) Hopes of 2014 repeating is fool's gold, not a legitimate expectation. 

     

    To be fair, back in 2014 hopes for what actually happened appeared to be fool's gold as well.  I'd say we have about a 1 in 5 chance of a couple guys getting hot down the stretch and getting some breaks with the schedule, and making the postseason.

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    9 hours ago, Blackshirt83 said:

    Warren Nolan realtime rpi which ignores non d1 opponents and lists both 2013 and 2017.

    Ummm.... UCF is currently ranked 21 and St. John's 27 in that...  Ok....

    Plus any ranking that has Vermont ranked 4th should be discounted anyway.

    1 Temple
    American Athletic (0-0)
    3-0 1 1 3-0 1 1 0-0 0-0 3-0 3-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 +2
    2 Texas A&M
    SEC (0-0)
    4-0 2 3 4-0 2 3 1-0 0-0 3-0 0-0 3-0 1-0 0-0 +8
    3 UTA
    Sun Belt (0-0)
    2-1 3 2 2-1 3 2 1-0 1-1 0-0 0-1 0-0 2-0 0-0 +1
    4 Vermont
    America East (0-0)
    3-1 4 6 3-1 4 6 0-0 0-1 3-0 1-1 0-0 2-0 0-0 +5
    5 Nevada
    Mountain West (0-0)
    5-0 5 20 5-0 5 20 3-0 2-0 0-0 2-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 +29
    6 Alabama
    SEC (0-0)
    4-0 6 26 4-0 6 26 3-0 0-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 0-0 2-0 +31
    7 Rhode Island
    Atlantic 10 (0-0)
    3-1 7 9 3-1 7 9 2-0 0-1 1-0 1-1 0-0 1-0 1-0 +15
    8 Kansas
    Big 12 (0-0)
    4-0 8 35 4-0 8 35 3-0 0-0 1-0 1-0 2-0 1-0 0-0 +3
    9 Missouri
    SEC (0-0)
    3-1 9 15 3-1 9 15 2-0 0-1 1-0 0-1 2-0 1-0 0-0 +4
    10 Duke
    ACC (0-0)
    6-0 10 44 6-0 10 44 4-0 0-0 2-0 1-0 1-0 3-0 1-0 +43
      Overall Non-Conference Location VS RPI Teams RPI
    RPI   Team Record RPI SOS Record RPI SOS Home Road Neutral 1-50 51-100 101-200 200+ Delta
    11 Utah
    Pac-12 (0-0)
    4-1 11 21 4-1 11 21 3-0 0-1 1-0 1-1 2-0 0-0 1-0 +34
    12 Louisiana Tech
    Conference USA (0-0)
    4-0 12 45 4-0 12 45 2-0 0-0 2-0 0-0 1-0 1-0 2-0 +102
    13 Davidson
    Atlantic 10 (0-0)
    2-1 13 12 2-1 13 12 2-0 0-1 0-0 0-1 0-0 1-0 1-0 -6
    14 Kentucky
    SEC (0-0)
    5-1 14 18 5-1 14 18 5-0 0-0 0-1 2-1 0-0 2-0 1-0 +1
    15 Clemson
    ACC (0-0)
    4-1 15 19 4-1 15 19 2-0 0-0 2-1 0-1 1-0 2-0 1-0 +5
    16 Toledo
    Mid-American (0-0)
    2-1 16 13 2-1 16 13 2-0 0-1 0-0 0-1 0-0 2-0 0-0 -14
    17 TCU
    Big 12 (0-0)
    4-0 17 70 4-0 17 70 4-0 0-0 0-0 1-0 1-0 0-0 2-0 -12
    18 Wyoming
    Mountain West (0-0)
    4-1 18 27 4-1 18 27 1-0 1-0 2-1 0-0 2-1 1-0 1-0 -4
    19 Old Dominion
    Conference USA (0-0)
    4-1 19 28 4-1 19 28 1-0 1-0 2-1 1-1 0-0 2-0 1-0 +17
    20 Arkansas
    SEC (0-0)
    4-0 20 72 4-0 20 72 3-0 0-0 1-0 0-0 0-0 3-0 1-0 +18
      Overall Non-Conference Location VS RPI Teams RPI
    RPI   Team Record RPI SOS Record RPI SOS Home Road Neutral 1-50 51-100 101-200 200+ Delta
    21 UCF
    American Athletic (0-0)
    4-0 21 88 4-0 21 88 3-0 0-0 1-0 0-0 3-0 0-0 1-0 +39
    22 North Carolina
    ACC (0-0)
    4-0 22 97 4-0 22 97 2-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 0-0 3-0 0-0 +16
    23 Connecticut
    American Athletic (0-0)
    4-0 23 106 4-0 23 106 3-0 0-0 1-0 0-0 0-0 2-0 2-0 +84
    24 Syracuse
    ACC (0-0)
    5-0 24 122 5-0 24 122 5-0 0-0 0-0 1-0 1-0 2-0 1-0 +108
    25 Villanova
    Big East (0-0)
    5-0 25 123 5-0 25 123 2-0 0-0 3-0 0-0 2-0 2-0 1-0 +74
    26 Virginia
    ACC (0-0)
    5-0 26 129 5-0 26 129 3-0 1-0 1-0 0-0 1-0 2-0 2-0 +36
    27 Saint John's
    Big East (0-0)
    4-0 27 132 4-0 27 132 3-0 0-0 1-0 0-0 1-0 2-0 1-0 +7
    28 Creighton
    Big East (0-0)
    4-1 28 51 4-1 28 51 2-0 1-0 1-1 1-1 0-0 1-0 2-0 +52
    29 South Dakota
    The Summit League (0-0)
    2-1 29 49 2-1 29 49 1-0 1-1 0-0 0-1 0-0 1-0 1-0 -10
    30 Utah Valley
    Western Athletic (0-0)
    2-2 30 24 2-2 30 24 1-0 1-2 0-0 0-2 0-0 1-0 1-0 +14

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    19 minutes ago, hhcdimes said:

     

    13 TOs doesn't seem like a lot but it's a lot against a team like UCF that doesn't put pressure on you.  Needed it to be a single digit number.

    We outshot UCF in terms of volume by winning the turnover and rebounding battle...that's what we needed to do and part of the reason this wasn't a blowout.

    How much did the fouls and height take Roby out of his game? (I didn't get to watch a ton). 0-2 on two 3pt attempts? 0 assists? The staff needs to encourage him to be more assertive.

     

     

    The coaches need to leave his ass on the court.  14 minutes is completely ridiculous given what Roby has shown us so far.  He's been the best athlete on the court of every game we've played this year.  

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    That first half was as ugly as any I have seen from the huskers. Terrible shooting, terrible passing and zero offensive flow. I know most on this board are against giving Nana a shot but I say we should try him instead of Jack. It could not be worse than what Jack has given this team. He gets blown out on defense every time. Freshman or not, the guy is more athletic and at least has as good of a stroke as Jack. 

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    59 minutes ago, LK1 said:

    The coaches need to leave his ass on the court.  14 minutes is completely ridiculous given what Roby has shown us so far.  He's been the best athlete on the court of every game we've played this year.  

     

    You might be right in a vacuum but how are we supposed to come back in a game where we're down big and Roby is shooting even less than he usually does?  Also, his minutes were somewhat limited by picking up 3 fouls in 5 minutes in the 2nd half.

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    Definetily gotta win the next 3. Hopefully that gives us a bit of confidence or momentum and we can somehow steal 1 of Creighton, Kansas, Minnesota, or Michigan St.

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    What I find 

    very discouraging is the fact we are such large underdogs against very mediocre teams like stjohns and cfu.  Vegas knows what's up.  What's up is that we suck at this point.  

    Edited by royalfan

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    34 minutes ago, hhcdimes said:

     

    You might be right in a vacuum but how are we supposed to come back in a game where we're down big and Roby is shooting even less than he usually does?  Also, his minutes were somewhat limited by picking up 3 fouls in 5 minutes in the 2nd half.

     

    We hit more shots in the second half for sure, but everything we accomplished in that comeback happened as a result of zone defense.  Roby, in theory, is deadly in a zone.  Regardless, college coaches in general are complete idiots when it comes to foul trouble.  I'd much rather have Roby log 25 minutes and foul out than 15 minutes and come out with 3.  Let him foul out.  Same with Jordy--who finally got extended minutes regardless of how bad he started and magically filled up the stat sheet.  Good players adjust to the game, but they have to have enough time to do so.  

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    8 hours ago, hskr4life said:

     

    If you read the post again, I said we have the higher ceiling.  I didn’t say we will do better.  I think that’s 100% true.  We have a lot more solid pieces than either of those two teams.  Our ceiling is much higher now actually.

     

    Improvement is something different than my post above.  I don’t think we can confidently say after 5 games that this isn’t going to be a good team or good shooting team.  I can see improvement from previous years already just by looking at the players this year vs last.

     

    Improvement will naturally happen over a period of time.  Now improvement and confidence are two different things.  I don’t think with our shooting woes we lack the inability to improve.  I think we lack confidence.  Palmer, Glynn, Copeland, Allen etc. are all capeable.  I think you need to look no further than Taylor to see that we improve, but we also lack confidence.

     

    As I mentioned in another post, we need “the guy.”  We need someone who can score when the basket looks like a nail hole to everyone.  That is our problem right now.  When things start going bad, everyone panics.  We need someone to step up and score.  When the basket looks like an ocean, everyone will score.  We just need to find someone to turn the nail hole into an ocean.

     

    Once again, I can confidently say that our ceiling is much higher than the two teams we have lost to.  We just need to find the right ladders to get us there.  I also believe that we need to keep in mind that this group of guys has played a grand total of 5 games together.  4 if our top 8 are new to the program.  I think it’ll start to gel.  I think January could be a really fun month.  We have to take our lumps early though.

     

    Semantics. Saying we have a higher ceiling implies that we will be better than them. To be better than them, we have to improve.

     

    Counting on "the guy" hasn't gone so well the past three years. (2014 was the anomaly.)

     

    Thinking "it'll start to gel" is not a legitimate reason you think we will improve. A lot of what you mentioned is on the coaching staff to figure out. Unfortunately, recent history tells us that is unlikely.

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    I love the Borchardt story and feel like he has improved but I thought at the end of the 1st half he really hurt us on defense primarily.  Might have been the difference between being down 12 and down 16.  

     

     

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