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    Post Game Chatter: Vol 8, Issue 12 - Samford


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      We ran into a team that we couldn't out talent and/or out hero ball...the combination of their slowing trap and ability to sucker us into charges/bad calls basically took the wind out of our sails and set us up for all the tentative play in the second half. At one point with 3-4 minutes to go our guys passed the ball around the perimeter scared to shoot...like we were the ones with the lead.

    How does Jacobson not attempt a shot?
    We've gotten off to 3 slow starts since he's moved into the starting lineup.
    If you want to pair guys, start it out with Watson and Hammond because we're looking at a trend here

     

    Where was the ball rotation and passing from earlier in the season when we played against a zone?

     

    It's all fun and games until you lose a team you paid to come here


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    yeah my one son who,is kind of a Debbie downer kind of kid said he thinks we will be lucky to win 12 games this year. I would put him in time out for that attitude but he is 27 and well you know...

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    Post Game 

     

    Nebraska Head Coach Tim Miles

     Opening Statement

    “First of all, I congratulate Samford. I thought they did a lot of things right. I thought they played well. They used their press to shorten our half-court offense, which, I thought, kept us out of rhythm and (Samford Coach) Scott (Padgett) had them in their system and it worked well for them. I don’t know – I have to check – our charges, we had six charges, I think. Whether that be great defensive play by them or bang-bang plays, so it could go either way, or if that’s selfish play by us and we wanted it easy, so we just saw the drive, took it, and then the second-line defense ends up – and a good team has a good second-line defense – stands up and takes a charge, then that’s on us. That’s just selfish basketball, and I just don’t know if I had them in the mode to ‘self-correct’ enough. I thought the warmth of competition would get us there. We talked about things. We addressed errors. To have 17 errors, and really, the press was minimal, maybe a five-second count. Even Glynn (Watson Jr.’s) pass down the sidelines wasn’t really even close, it was just a bad decision. Nobody stepped up to help Andrew (White III) and Shavon (Shields). I mean, we go 4-20 with 12 turnovers from the rest of the guys, and that won’t cut it against anybody.”

     

    On the lack of production beyond Shavon Shields and Andrew White III

    “It looked like we were a little tentative, at a minimum. But without an inside force, that hurts us, when you can’t just throw it in five-on-five and let him make a play or kick it out, and now you really depend on penetration, and outside of really Shavon, I don’t think anybody was in there making plays.”

     

    On what the team does tomorrow

    “We’re going to practice and watch tape and get ready for Prairie View A&M.”

     

    On whether tomorrow will include anything out of the ordinary

    “I haven’t decided. Depends on when I watch tape. Or if I sleep.”

     

    Closing statement

    “It’s a bad day for the Huskers, but I told the guys I watched our women’s volleyball team win the national championship last night in Omaha, and you could watch, every time they didn’t have a block that was together, they were talking about it. Every time they had a block, their libero was right under the play to dig it out. All the little things, their positioning was perfect, everything was right. As soon as something wasn’t right, it never happened again. That’s how you win. You’re just an every-day, every-play guy, every-day, every-play girl and that’s what winning looks like. It’s not beautiful. Sometimes it’s (tennis legend John) McEnroe just serve-and-volleying all day or (tennis legend) Jimmy Connors just standing on the baseline just wailing away with his backhand all night. Just doing it over and over until somebody makes a mistake, but until you eliminate losing, you’re not going to be a winner. Not being able to self-correct errors, that cost us. Making the same turnovers over and over and over. Our transition turnovers are ridiculous.”

     

    Nebraska Forward Shavon Shields
    On what will need to be corrected

    “Mindsets. Everybody being locked in and ready to go. I think that is what it boils down to. The coaches gave us everything we needed in order to win, and we just didn’t go out and execute anything.”

     

    On if he saw this outcome coming

    “I can’t tell the future. I think we had a good two days of practice before leading up to the game. No.”

     

    On some other players being timid against their defense

    “We just have to figure it out and like I said we have to be ready to play. We went through it in practice the previous two days. We knew it was coming. We knew what to expect from them. We just didn’t go out and execute and we didn’t make plays.”

     

    On what the main reason was to why they didn’t execute

    “Like I said at the start, people’s mindsets. I felt like especially when they were staying with us in the first half, once shots weren’t following I think people started getting down on themselves and hesitating, things like that. You can’t have that happen. When you do things like that you end up losing games.”

     

    On what he will tell his teammates going in to practice tomorrow for the next game on Tuesday.

    “We have to have everybody locked in and ready to go. I think everything will be addressed. We’ll watch the game tomorrow probably before practice and then see what we didn’t do right and then just go out there and make it happen. We have to make changes quick because Big Ten season is right around the corner and there is no easy games in that league.”

     

    Samford Head Coach Scott Padgett

    Opening Statement

    “It’s crazy how this game works. We played at home against South Alabama, we shot really well at the free throw line, and we got there a lot. We shoot 51% the other night and lose the game in double overtime because of it. We also shot 6-for-24 from the three-point line in that game. We come out here and have very similar shots. When a couple of those shots start going, that belief, it goes up. That defensive intensity goes up and that battle on the backboard and that want to of going after every loose ball. It takes it to another level. I think when you’re the school we are, which is the low mid-major coming into a place like this, you need some of those plays to help get you over the top. I thought we had enough plays to keep us in it in the first half to where you still had that belief. Coming out, I think it was the first seven possessions scoring and executing to start the half was the big key. I really love their heart and their desire. This was a special game.”

     

    On halftime speech

    “The big thing was, hey, it’s a four-point game. We hadn’t been in a four-point game with a high major yet. We hadn’t. We’re right where we need to be. We’re going to go out, get a bucket and we’re going to play defense and rebound. A big thing we had talked about is they got some second shots, specifically off of free throws in the first half. Part of my halftime speech was demonstrating a free throw block out…Real inspirational. Just being there with twenty minutes on the clock and just being there and coming out and getting that bucket was huge. The number one key in this game, we thought, was not turning over the ball because they average about twenty-one points a game off of turnovers. We’re not good enough to give people points especially at this level and expect to win. We only had nine turnovers in the game and I think that was a huge factor. Even though we didn’t shoot the lights out every shot, we had a good to great shot almost every time down the court. Not turning over the ball was huge.”

     

    On deciding to press

    “The big thing that we wanted to do is, watching them on film we thought they were jets. Our big thing was we wanted to keep them out of transition and slow it up as much as possible. We press different ways depending on the team. We wanted to keep their pace down and limit turnovers.”

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    Watching the replay.... One thing I have kept hearing from our coaching staff is that we are a good defensive team.  I'm not sure I've agreed with that this year and definitely don't feel that way after tonight. 

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    this is the type of loss that may kill a tourney resume unless samford turns out to be legit which they might be. they are 8-4 and two of their losses were by 2 points or less.

     

    i'm guessing both the players and coaches underestimated samford

    It definitely killed the NIT resume. If a CIT is there, take it so the young guys can get experience

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    Just got back from the game. That is about as a bad of performance as I've seen under Miles. Simply horrible all the way around. If I had a word for this game it would UNINSPIRED. There is a lot a talent on this roster, and the most since Miles has been here. I take solace in the fact that we are a very young team.

    *We still have not been able to solve the press.

    *We still have not figured out how to attack a zone defense.

    *Benny ending up being left open to shoot the 3 is not an accident.

    *Benny can't dribble drive in the half court.

    *There is no reason for us to be as bad as we are in the post. Constantly being beat on the baseline.

    *There is no inside/outside game when we are in the half court.

    *This offense looks very similar to last year.

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    I can't remember the last time I said Miles outcoached anyone. We have really struggled in any set offense under Miles and his preferred offense "motion" is not exactly the offense of offensive geniuses. I worry Craig Smith was the Xs and Os guy and that Miles may just be all talk and no real substance. I'm not trying to be knee jerk with this statement. Been feeling it since very early on. It scares me to look at how little good basketball we have played outside the 1 1/2 month hot streak that we rode to the NCAA tourney.

    He doesn't seem to know how to nurture and handle the young talent we have. He is searching for lineups and seems to have a short leash on guys that need some encouragement and support and refuses to take much time away from others that deserve to sit a bit more. I'm not saying I'm giving up as I didn't expect much this year but I've been doubting Miles's ability to truly coach the game of basketball for a while. He's a great marketer and above average recruiter and promoter and we need that but I'm losing a bit of faith in his basketball knowledge and/or ability to teach basketball.

    GO BIG RED

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    It's a young team, got to expect games like this. I know everybody thinks we have young talent, but it's not that good. At least a couple of the freshmen should have redshirted, but we don't have that luxury. Glynn is probably the only frosh that would be playing for a good team.

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    yeah my one son who,is kind of a Debbie downer kind of kid said he thinks we will be lucky to win 12 games this year. I would put him in time out for that attitude but he is 27 and well you know...

     

    Yeah 27 is a little old for time out.... Looks like its a spanking  :D

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    It's a young team, got to expect games like this. I know everybody thinks we have young talent, but it's not that good. At least a couple of the freshmen should have redshirted, but we don't have that luxury. Glynn is probably the only frosh that would be playing for a good team.

     

    Even once(if) he develops...I just don't see where Morrow is going to fit into this hero ball offense.  He would have been better off signing elsewhere IMO.  Watson obviously is going to be a good one and I think Jacobson will turn into a solid player a year or two from now...but I think you are correct.  Evelyn looks like a likely transfer prospect and while I do like McVeigh's basketball skills, his athletic ability at this level will always cause him trouble. 

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    Depressing thread to read, depressing game to watch (even with a fast forward button), really nothing much upbeat to add except to remind folks to enjoy that Miami Beach bowl today. And don't forget to call in sick, it is a day game.

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    We ran into a team that we couldn't out talent and/or out hero ball...the combination of their slowing trap and ability to sucker us into charges/bad calls basically took the wind out of our sails and set us up for all the tentative play in the second half. At one point with 3-4 minutes to go our guys passed the ball around the perimeter scared to shoot...like we were the ones with the lead.

     

    How does Jacobson not attempt a shot?

    We've gotten off to 3 slow starts since he's moved into the starting lineup. 

    If you want to pair guys, start it out with Watson and Hammond because we're looking at a trend here

     

    Where was the ball rotation and passing from earlier in the season when we played against a zone?

     

    It's all fun and games until you lose a team you paid to come here

    This game can be explained pretty simply

     

    1. We did not have an answer to their Press

    2. We started the game 0-7 at the FT line

    3. White was cold behind the Arc

    4. Everyone was afraid to shoot the basketball late, and my only thought on this is Miles gets on them if they shoot and miss (CAN'T HAPPEN) 

    5. Watson was cold, because he couldn't get into a rhythm (because Miles had no answer for the Press)

    6. Four charges called on us in the opening 10 minutes in the game.

    7. We don't play team basketball, and it is clear they need to

     

    I get it Shields and White are our go to players.  Here is the problem with it, and my biggest frustration with Miles coached teams.  The defense only needs to play defense on TWO people, because they know no one else is going to shoot it.  He has got to mix it up and get his young guys involved.  

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    Before this game, we won the games we were supposed to win and kept most of the other games relatively close. We're going to regret this game come March no matter what tournament (if any) we end up in.

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    this is the type of loss that may kill a tourney resume unless samford turns out to be legit which they might be. they are 8-4 and two of their losses were by 2 points or less.

     

    i'm guessing both the players and coaches underestimated samford

    It definitely killed the NIT resume. If a CIT is there, take it so the young guys can get experience

     

    If the CIT thing happens...this might be the year to take it.  I mean the football program is a totally different situation, but anytime you can get these guys more time on the field/court the more experience they have.

     

    I just hope and pray that neither White or Shields gets injured this year.  The way this team is playing I don't see anyone else stepping up.

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    We ran into a team that we couldn't out talent and/or out hero ball...the combination of their slowing trap and ability to sucker us into charges/bad calls basically took the wind out of our sails and set us up for all the tentative play in the second half. At one point with 3-4 minutes to go our guys passed the ball around the perimeter scared to shoot...like we were the ones with the lead.

     

    How does Jacobson not attempt a shot?

    We've gotten off to 3 slow starts since he's moved into the starting lineup. 

    If you want to pair guys, start it out with Watson and Hammond because we're looking at a trend here

     

    Where was the ball rotation and passing from earlier in the season when we played against a zone?

     

    It's all fun and games until you lose a team you paid to come here

    This game can be explained pretty simply

     

    1. We did not have an answer to their Press

    2. We started the game 0-7 at the FT line

    3. White was cold behind the Arc

    4. Everyone was afraid to shoot the basketball late, and my only thought on this is Miles gets on them if they shoot and miss (CAN'T HAPPEN) 

    5. Watson was cold, because he couldn't get into a rhythm (because Miles had no answer for the Press)

    6. Four charges called on us in the opening 10 minutes in the game.

    7. We don't play team basketball, and it is clear they need to

     

    I get it Shields and White are our go to players.  Here is the problem with it, and my biggest frustration with Miles coached teams.  The defense only needs to play defense on TWO people, because they know no one else is going to shoot it.  He has got to mix it up and get his young guys involved.  

     

     

    The press didn't really cause us any problems.  We broke it fairly easily as it was a soft press and not a trapping press to get turnovers.  The press didn't have anything to do with Watson not being able to get into a rhythm.  I don't think that was one of the reasons we lost.  The bigger issue is our offense against a zone.  That is where we struggle.  And most those charging fouls were the correct call.

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    We ran into a team that we couldn't out talent and/or out hero ball...the combination of their slowing trap and ability to sucker us into charges/bad calls basically took the wind out of our sails and set us up for all the tentative play in the second half. At one point with 3-4 minutes to go our guys passed the ball around the perimeter scared to shoot...like we were the ones with the lead.

     

    How does Jacobson not attempt a shot?

    We've gotten off to 3 slow starts since he's moved into the starting lineup. 

    If you want to pair guys, start it out with Watson and Hammond because we're looking at a trend here

     

    Where was the ball rotation and passing from earlier in the season when we played against a zone?

     

    It's all fun and games until you lose a team you paid to come here

    This game can be explained pretty simply

     

    1. We did not have an answer to their Press

    2. We started the game 0-7 at the FT line

    3. White was cold behind the Arc

    4. Everyone was afraid to shoot the basketball late, and my only thought on this is Miles gets on them if they shoot and miss (CAN'T HAPPEN) 

    5. Watson was cold, because he couldn't get into a rhythm (because Miles had no answer for the Press)

    6. Four charges called on us in the opening 10 minutes in the game.

    7. We don't play team basketball, and it is clear they need to

     

    I get it Shields and White are our go to players.  Here is the problem with it, and my biggest frustration with Miles coached teams.  The defense only needs to play defense on TWO people, because they know no one else is going to shoot it.  He has got to mix it up and get his young guys involved.  

     

     

    The press didn't really cause us any problems.  We broke it fairly easily as it was a soft press and not a trapping press to get turnovers.  The press didn't have anything to do with Watson not being able to get into a rhythm.  I don't think that was one of the reasons we lost.  The bigger issue is our offense against a zone.  That is where we struggle.  And most those charging fouls were the correct call.

     

    i think a lot of teams struggle vs the zone for the simple fact that because it is deemed a low percentage shot by some, the mid range game in kids is lacking. Most spend their time driving to the rim, or shooting 3's, and dont develop that mid range touch that you need to beat a good 2-3, the free throw line jump shot is huge, and even though shavon shoots it at a decent rate, its still largely unused by most teams, including ours. And this charging issue is becoming an epidemic for us. 

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    We ran into a team that we couldn't out talent and/or out hero ball...the combination of their slowing trap and ability to sucker us into charges/bad calls basically took the wind out of our sails and set us up for all the tentative play in the second half. At one point with 3-4 minutes to go our guys passed the ball around the perimeter scared to shoot...like we were the ones with the lead.

     

    How does Jacobson not attempt a shot?

    We've gotten off to 3 slow starts since he's moved into the starting lineup. 

    If you want to pair guys, start it out with Watson and Hammond because we're looking at a trend here

     

    Where was the ball rotation and passing from earlier in the season when we played against a zone?

     

    It's all fun and games until you lose a team you paid to come here

    This game can be explained pretty simply

     

    1. We did not have an answer to their Press

    2. We started the game 0-7 at the FT line

    3. White was cold behind the Arc

    4. Everyone was afraid to shoot the basketball late, and my only thought on this is Miles gets on them if they shoot and miss (CAN'T HAPPEN) 

    5. Watson was cold, because he couldn't get into a rhythm (because Miles had no answer for the Press)

    6. Four charges called on us in the opening 10 minutes in the game.

    7. We don't play team basketball, and it is clear they need to

     

    I get it Shields and White are our go to players.  Here is the problem with it, and my biggest frustration with Miles coached teams.  The defense only needs to play defense on TWO people, because they know no one else is going to shoot it.  He has got to mix it up and get his young guys involved.  

     

     

    The press didn't really cause us any problems.  We broke it fairly easily as it was a soft press and not a trapping press to get turnovers.  The press didn't have anything to do with Watson not being able to get into a rhythm.  I don't think that was one of the reasons we lost.  The bigger issue is our offense against a zone.  That is where we struggle.  And most those charging fouls were the correct call.

     

    Never said anything about the charges being incorrect calls, but they were definitely a big reason why we lost.  Miles has got to give Watson the green light.  He is holding him back, and not letting him play his game.  If he wants to win games Watson is going to have to shoot the ball more than 7 F'n times.  He is a streaky shooter, He may have went 1-7, but could of ended 7-13.  He needs to be our 3rd threat... not Tai... Not McVeigh... Not Jacobson

     

    Yes we broke the Press, but our timing was off because of it.  <- Biggest reason why we lost, Miles had no answer.

     

    Tai getting the 5 second call on the inbound is unacceptable.  I know people will blast me for this, but why not see what Evelyn can do.  Fake an injury to the public about Tai/Benny.  Say they spained their ankle, and see what he can do against Prairie View A&M

     

    Edit: Something inside of me is saying Watson/Evelyn back court would be better than a Benny/Tai... call me crazy, but those two are one mistake after another.  

     

    Seriously I'm to the point where I am getting pissed at every damn sport our guys play anymore.  Baseball/Basketball/Football/Wrestling... one choke after another

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    The press didn't really cause us any problems.  We broke it fairly easily as it was a soft press and not a trapping press to get turnovers.  The press didn't have anything to do with Watson not being able to get into a rhythm.  I don't think that was one of the reasons we lost.  The bigger issue is our offense against a zone.  That is where we struggle.  And most those charging fouls were the correct call.

     

    Yes we broke the Press, but our timing was off because of it.  <- Biggest reason why we lost, Miles had no answer.

     

    Yup, the press was all about shortening the shot clock and then putting us into a rush against a zone you can solve with passing, not impatient driving.

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    I've just never understood how in 4 years under Miles, we've been a team that struggles with a press and we've been AWFUL against any type of zone, every single year.  Last night wasn't even a tough press to break.  It was a soft 2-2-1.  The only time they put pressure was when they would faceguard, and I just kept seeing flashes of the Ohio State loss in the B1G tourney 2 years ago when we couldn't break the press even once. 

     

    Then you get to our zone offense.  We rarely look to get the ball to the short corner or to the high post.  I understand that we still don't have a ton of shooters on this team, but we have capable shooters for sure.  Andrew has struggled from the arc more than I thought he would this year (and maybe that's on Miles and the staff for hyping him up so much).  Shavon is a capable shooter, although not great.  Tai can knock them down, Glynn can knock them down, Benny hits one every once in awhile.  This team is very capable of beating zone defenses but it just seems like Miles never puts us in the right situation to beat a zone.

     

    Lastly,  why the hell is Benny getting 22 minutes in that game? 0-4 from the field, 1 rebound, 3 fouls, 2 points, 1 assist, 3 turnovers. Someone explain that stat line to me?  These are pretty consistent numbers for him recently.  I understand not everyone on this board is a stats guy, and stats aren't everything, but stats prove this point.  Benny provided no spark last night.  I just don't get it

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    Depressing thread to read, depressing game to watch (even with a fast forward button), really nothing much upbeat to add except to remind folks to enjoy that Miami Beach bowl today. And don't forget to call in sick, it is a day game.

     

    Sage advice. But there is such a thing as watching said bowl game alternate ways to bunny ears & tin-foil. ;)

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    Count me among the group like big_red22 that would like to see more from Bakari Evelyn, and even Johnny Trueblood, on Tuesday. Prairie View A&M hasn't won a single game this season. Put the young-guns in there and let them play balls to the walls.

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    Watching the replay.... One thing I have kept hearing from our coaching staff is that we are a good defensive team. I'm not sure I've agreed with that this year and definitely don't feel that way after tonight.

    It's the poorest of poor basketball logics. "If we don't allow that many points and we work on defense all practice - we're a good defensive team."

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