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Alright, so I didn't hear Bilas 100% accurately.  But in my defense, I was listening while on my morning commute.  It's hard to get the details correct while weaving in and out of traffic and cutting people off.

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If I recall Miami asked (I believe the Adidas dude) for X amount of money because a kid was getting X amount of funding from a different apparel company from another school...goodness this is going to be a gigantic mess.

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2 hours ago, aphilso1 said:

Alright, so I didn't hear Bilas 100% accurately.  But in my defense, I was listening while on my morning commute.  It's hard to get the details correct while weaving in and out of traffic and cutting people off.

 

Oh, that was you?

 

I'll know to waive next time.

 

With more than just one finger.

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None of this would be necessary if the NCAA did not exist. Basically it has always been an institution which exists primarily to exploit young athletes while everyone else helps themselves to the money they generate. Anyone wishing documentation of this should read this book:http://journalstar.com/entertainment/books/review-indentured-the-inside-story-of-the-rebellion-against-the/article_1a5363be-05c5-57e6-afff-4d3d7f739bf9.html

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25 minutes ago, jimmykc said:

None of this would be necessary if the NCAA did not exist. Basically it has always been an institution which exists primarily to exploit young athletes while everyone else helps themselves to the money they generate. Anyone wishing documentation of this should read this book:http://journalstar.com/entertainment/books/review-indentured-the-inside-story-of-the-rebellion-against-the/article_1a5363be-05c5-57e6-afff-4d3d7f739bf9.html

 

This is also an interesting take on the matter as well: http://nypost.com/2017/09/27/why-is-the-fbi-trying-to-enforce-ncaa-rules/amp/

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I see now that the FBI is looking into NIKE as well.  My solution to this would be to end the summer recruitment period and have college coaches recruit during the high school season.  This would take a lot of the power away from the shoe companies and would lessen the influence of AAU coaches and programs.

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On 9/27/2017 at 11:08 AM, basketballjones said:

So - can someone explain to me how people are going to jail over this stuff? Just general racketing issues - is that what it is? 

Because as far as I can tell - these are just NCAA violations - didn't know you could go to jail over that. 

 

So is the answer that the US Government has decided that this "scheme" is considered racketeering and that is why people are getting arrested? If so - this rolls so deep it's not even funny. If they're going after college basketball - I'd be purely shocked if they stop here. NCAA Football is a bigger racket than this, x10. 

If you give money or accept money from someone and don't declare that income and thus pay taxes on it....you are going to Jail.

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Blindcheck said:

If you give money or accept money from someone and don't declare that income and thus pay taxes on it....you are going to Jail.

 

 

i'm still a bit confused by arrests as well because it seems like more of an ncaa violation than breaking the law. I think there's more to the story that hasn't been released. 

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1 hour ago, Blindcheck said:

If you give money or accept money from someone and don't declare that income and thus pay taxes on it....you are going to Jail.

 

 

Wait.  Now if you give money you have to declare it as income?  What'll they think of next!

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A writer over on a Syracuse basketball message board seems to be an expert of sorts.  He writes a long piece to explain what's going on.  Here's an excerpt:

 

"In short, some coaches let kids get paid by agents and shoe companies, and other coaches actively participate in the process. 
. . . 
I think that Syracuse is the kind of school that lets kids get paid by agents and NOT the kid of school that actively participates in the process. So those people saying "thank god Syracuse never pays its players" are missing the point. Syracuse players are still getting paid, its just that Syracuse coaches are not exploiting them or particularly benefiting from the fact that they get paid. 
. . . 
The real worry, to me, is that lists of players who accepted money are going to come out, and some SU player will be on that list. The average non-die hard sports fan will not have a good enough understanding to differentiate between the teams who cheat in a way that gives them an unfair advantage like Duke and Kentucky, and the teams who just tassetly allow cheating to happen, like Syracuse. 

Of course, if Syracuse goes down in this thing, so will most other schools. "

 

Maybe this writer is providing some insight for us on the Andrew White III situation? 

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2 hours ago, Blindcheck said:

If you give money or accept money from someone and don't declare that income and thus pay taxes on it....you are going to Jail.

 

 

If you receive money as a gift, you do not have to pay taxes on it.  If you give money as a gift, you do not have to report it unless it is totals more than $14,000 per year.  If it totals more than $14,000 in a year, you need to report it but there is no tax until you accumulate $5 million in gifts.  After $5 million lifetime total, you must start paying taxes on the money you gift. 

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1 hour ago, Swan88 said:

A writer over on a Syracuse basketball message board seems to be an expert of sorts.  He writes a long piece to explain what's going on.  Here's an excerpt:

 

"In short, some coaches let kids get paid by agents and shoe companies, and other coaches actively participate in the process. 
. . . 
I think that Syracuse is the kind of school that lets kids get paid by agents and NOT the kid of school that actively participates in the process. So those people saying "thank god Syracuse never pays its players" are missing the point. Syracuse players are still getting paid, its just that Syracuse coaches are not exploiting them or particularly benefiting from the fact that they get paid. 
. . . 
The real worry, to me, is that lists of players who accepted money are going to come out, and some SU player will be on that list. The average non-die hard sports fan will not have a good enough understanding to differentiate between the teams who cheat in a way that gives them an unfair advantage like Duke and Kentucky, and the teams who just tassetly allow cheating to happen, like Syracuse. 

Of course, if Syracuse goes down in this thing, so will most other schools. "

 

Maybe this writer is providing some insight for us on the Andrew White III situation? 

 

Okay, that's fine and all but when he doesn't know that "tassetly" is actually supposed to be spelled "tacitly", that takes a little bit of the validity out of what he's saying for me.  Not to mention it's probably not the best choice of words for the thought he's trying to convey.  In my opinion.

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52 minutes ago, royalfan said:

Rumors starting to swirl about Creighton being next on the hit list.  Be interesting to see if any truth to them.  

 

referring to the raid on andy miller's office or something more? I just saw that on twitter 

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2 hours ago, Swan88 said:

A writer over on a Syracuse basketball message board seems to be an expert of sorts.  He writes a long piece to explain what's going on.  Here's an excerpt:

 

"In short, some coaches let kids get paid by agents and shoe companies, and other coaches actively participate in the process. 
. . . 
I think that Syracuse is the kind of school that lets kids get paid by agents and NOT the kid of school that actively participates in the process. So those people saying "thank god Syracuse never pays its players" are missing the point. Syracuse players are still getting paid, its just that Syracuse coaches are not exploiting them or particularly benefiting from the fact that they get paid. 
. . . 
The real worry, to me, is that lists of players who accepted money are going to come out, and some SU player will be on that list. The average non-die hard sports fan will not have a good enough understanding to differentiate between the teams who cheat in a way that gives them an unfair advantage like Duke and Kentucky, and the teams who just tassetly allow cheating to happen, like Syracuse. 

Of course, if Syracuse goes down in this thing, so will most other schools. "

 

Maybe this writer is providing some insight for us on the Andrew White III situation? 

 

 

:Signhuh:
:Signhuh:
 
I don't see the difference.  Regardless, the player gets paid - to come to your school (that doesn't mean he might not get paid more to go to another school).  It doesn't make any difference who is doing the paying,the school gets the benefit of the player going there.  As long as the school has knowledge that a player is getting paid, by whomever, or reason to suspect that a player may be getting paid to come to their school, the school is complicit.

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