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[TimSmiles 709]

5 minutes ago, uneblinstu said:

Morrow would eat Thurman's lunch.

i didn't say better. i said nearly as good. thurman putting up 14 and 8 in a worse conference vs morrow's 9 and 7 in a better conference.

Edited March 8, 2017 by TimSmiles

[uneblinstu 1,784]

1 minute ago, TimSmiles said:

i didn't say better. i said nearly as good. thurman putting up 14 and 8 in a worse conference vs morrow's 9 and 7 in a better conference.

Yeah, and I'm saying I don't think he is.

[uneblinstu 1,784]

I would be curious to see how well Daum could defend at this level. He got eaten alive vs. Maryland last year, will be curious to see how well he does in that regard this year. They'll get another shot at a very high seeded team.

[The Polish Rifle 741]

Thurman could play at Nebraska. He put up 17 and 9 against Iowa, 18 and 9 against Pitt and 20 and 14 against USC. Get out of here if you don't think he could play here. 

[OmahaHusker 132]

2 minutes ago, uneblinstu said:

Yeah, and I'm saying I don't think he is.

 

Treshawn Thurman is a similar player to Derek Pardon at Northwestern and Pardon has owned Morrow every time he's played us so I wouldn't say Morrow is much better either. Just my opinion.

[uneblinstu 1,784]

1 minute ago, The Polish Rifle said:

Thurman could play at Nebraska. He put up 17 and 9 against Iowa, 18 and 9 against Pitt and 20 and 14 against USC. Get out of here if you don't think he could play here. 

Didn't say he couldn't play. Said I think Morrow is better.

[TimSmiles 709]

the fact we are having this discussion is sad. uno is in their second year of tourney eligible and almost made it. we're about to hire our 4th coach in 15 years.

[uneblinstu 1,784]

3 minutes ago, OmahaHusker said:

 

Treshawn Thurman is a similar player to Derek Pardon at Northwestern and Pardon has owned Morrow every time he's played us so I wouldn't say Morrow is much better either. Just my opinion.

Pardon's gonna be an all Big Ten player, perhaps as early as next year. Morrow was hurt when he played 'em this year and missed two of the games with injury vs. Northwestern. We haven't really seen Morrow vs. Pardon yet.

Edited March 8, 2017 by uneblinstu

[The Polish Rifle 741]

6 minutes ago, uneblinstu said:

Didn't say he couldn't play. Said I think Morrow is better.

Not referring to your posts. Sans the foot injury I would take Morrow. Just referring to the earlier post that said Hollins was the only one that could play on Nebraska. Thurman could most definitely hold his own. 

[uneblinstu 1,784]

1 minute ago, The Polish Rifle said:

Not referring to your posts. Sans the foot injury I would take Morrow. Just referring to the earlier post that said Hollins was the only one that could play on Nebraska. Thurman could most definitely hold his own. 

Oh, I agree, I think there are a couple of guys at UNO that would contribute. I don't know that they push NU over the hump, though.

[WestOHusker 137]

34 minutes ago, The Polish Rifle said:

Thurman could play at Nebraska. He put up 17 and 9 against Iowa, 18 and 9 against Pitt and 20 and 14 against USC. Get out of here if you don't think he could play here. 

Completely and totally agree. Could definitely contribute

[Dead Dog Alley 514]

1 hour ago, uneblinstu said:

Pardon's gonna be an all Big Ten player, perhaps as early as next year. Morrow was hurt when he played 'em this year and missed two of the games with injury vs. Northwestern. We haven't really seen Morrow vs. Pardon yet.

 

Not sure that Pardon ever makes it to all Big Ten, I don't know that he'll ever put up the scoring numbers. Here are just the freshmen and sophomores that played regular minutes this year at the 4 and 5 this year in the conference. Some will go to the NBA but there's still quite a few good players.

 

Player	School	Ht	Wt	Class	ppg	rpg
Caleb Swanigan	Purdue	6-9	250	So.	18.7	12.6
Miles Bridges	Michigan State	6-7	230	Fr.	16.6	8.0
Ethan Happ	Wisconsin	6-10	230	So.	13.9	9.0
Nick Ward	Michigan State	6-8	250	Fr.	13.6	6.3
Thomas Bryant	Indiana	6-10	255	So.	12.9	6.9
Lamar Stevens	Penn State	6-7	220	Fr.	12.5	5.6
Moritz Wagner	Michigan	6-11	230	So.	12.4	4.4
Tyler Cook	Iowa	6-9	255	Fr.	12.0	5.1
OG Anunoby	Indiana	6-8	235	So.	11.1	5.4
Jordan Murphy	Minnesota	6-6	230	So.	11.1	8.7
Justin Jackson	Maryland	6-7	225	Fr.	10.7	6.2
Mike Watkins	Penn State	6-9	245	Fr.	9.5	8.1
Ed Morrow	Nebraska	6-7	235	So.	9.4	7.4
Cordell Pemsl	Iowa	6-8	250	Fr.	9.0	4.7
Dererk Pardon	Northwestern	6-8	235	So.	8.6	8.0
Leron Black	Illinois	6-7	220	So.	8.2	6.0
Juwan Morgan	Indiana	6-8	230	So.	7.2	5.4
Michael Finke	Illinois	6-10	230	So.	6.8	4.1
Michael Jacobson	Nebraska	6-8	240	So.	6.0	6.2
De'Ron Davis	Indiana	6-10	240	Fr.	5.8	3.2
Eric Curry	Minnesota	6-9	255	Fr.	5.6	5.3
Jordy Tshimanga	Nebraska	6-11	275	Fr.	4.9	4.0
Micah Potter	Ohio State	6-9	240	Fr.	4.2	3.1
Charles Thomas	Wisconsin	6-8	250	So.	2.3	1.3
Barrett Benson	Northwestern	6-10	240	Fr.	2.1	1.7
Alex Illikainen	Wisconsin	6-9	230	So.	1.5	1.7
Shaquille Doorson	Rutgers	7-0	270	So.	1.3	1.6
Jon Teske	Michigan	7-0	245	Fr.	0.3	0.6

 

[Ron Mexico 375]

7 hours ago, swmckewon said:

How closely do you follow Nebraska and the Big Ten?

 

Thurman could play for Nebraska any day of the week. 

The Nebraska fan base would have excoriated TM if he would have taken any of them over any current player on Nebraska's roster that currently gets significant playing minutes. You are speaking with hindsight. One of the biggest criticisms against Collier and Sadler was their recruiting. You are in essence criticizing TM recruiting!?! When there has been a player coming out of a Nebraska HS with clear high level D1 talent TM has tried to recruit them i.e. Agau.

 

I find your statement to very disingenuous.  

[nustudent 803]

Thurman could easily play for us.    Hahn could too.   The fact he can shoot gives him a skill we don't have much of 

 

again in hindsight is 20/20.    Don't blame Miles for not taking These guys over others that we have.    That doesn't mean they aren't better though.     I do think it's fair to question what if we had taken them over leaving 1-2 spots open every year though 

[Jugular 176]

8 hours ago, PimpMario said:

Is it reasonable to expect high school players who are good at shooting to be good in college... Or get better?

 

Thats what we were hoping with on Fuller. And going back a few years, Markowski. Both regressed as shooters unfortunately. 

[Ron Mexico 375]

6 minutes ago, nustudent said:

Thurman could easily play for us.    Hahn could too.   The fact he can shoot gives him a skill we don't have much of 

 

again in hindsight is 20/20.    Don't blame Miles for not taking These guys over others that we have.    That doesn't mean they aren't better though.     I do think it's fair to question what if we had taken them over leaving 1-2 spots open every year though 

I don't think it is a fair question. You were one who was extremely critical of our recruiting in the past, and justifiably so. Your were even more critical, as I recall, of throwing scholarships away just to fill a roster. TM can be criticized for a lot of things, but recruiting is not one of them, especially over the last couple of years, where we haven't seen this level of talent since Danny Nee was the coach. Our recruiting has been so abysmal in the past that I believe TM should be given a few more years to work things out with the current groups of players. Keeping TM longer, even if we would only rise to the level of mediocre, and currently we are looking up to see mediocre, with what he has been able to accomplish on the recruiting front is the most important reason to keep him. People want to get rid of TM in few years, fine, but lets at least allow him to continue to build depth on the roster for the next few years so that if/when that time might come to let him go we will not be starting over from a recruiting stand point.

[ladyhusker 284]

Ugh, this is my least favorite part of March Madness (and the lead-up to it now, I guess), when we start talking about how much better Player McPlayerson from Directional U is than our own roster. I like UNO and love that they made a good run -- but this is also a team that had 100 points dropped on them THREE times this season (by Rice, Oral Roberts and Fort Wayne), who was swept by Fort Wayne, and who had a 7-6 non-con record (with a win over Iowa but double-digit losses to USC, KState, Rice, Eastern Michigan, Iowa State, and Pitt -- average margin of loss was 19 points). Do they have a player or two who might contribute here? Sure, in a bench role, they might. But let's also feed Ed Morrow or Jack McVeigh a steady diet of those games and see what they look like.

 

Again, I like UNO. Glad they made it as far as they did. They score points a lot so their horrible defense isn't as glaring and they can be fun to watch. But I'll take our guys pretty much any day of the week.

 

(back to lurkerdom...)

[aphilso1 727]

3 minutes ago, ladyhusker said:

Ugh, this is my least favorite part of March Madness (and the lead-up to it now, I guess), when we start talking about how much better Player McPlayerson from Directional U is than our own roster. I like UNO and love that they made a good run -- but this is also a team that had 100 points dropped on them THREE times this season (by Rice, Oral Roberts and Fort Wayne), who was swept by Fort Wayne, and who had a 7-6 non-con record (with a win over Iowa but double-digit losses to USC, KState, Rice, Eastern Michigan, Iowa State, and Pitt -- average margin of loss was 19 points). Do they have a player or two who might contribute here? Sure, in a bench role, they might. But let's also feed Ed Morrow or Jack McVeigh a steady diet of those games and see what they look like.

 

Again, I like UNO. Glad they made it as far as they did. They score points a lot so their horrible defense isn't as glaring and they can be fun to watch. But I'll take our guys pretty much any day of the week.

 

(back to lurkerdom...)

You, Madam, deserve a plethora of up votes.  A cornucopia even.  Alas, I have just one to offer, but I offer it freely.

 

(or I guess I could have just said "THIS")

[aphilso1 727]

8 minutes ago, Ron Mexico said:

I don't think it is a fair question. You were one who was extremely critical of our recruiting in the past, and justifiably so. Your were even more critical, as I recall, of throwing scholarships away just to fill a roster. TM can be criticized for a lot of things, but recruiting is not one of them, especially over the last couple of years, where we haven't seen this level of talent since Danny Nee was the coach. Our recruiting has been so abysmal in the past that I believe TM should be given a few more years to work things out with the current groups of players. Keeping TM longer, even if we would only rise to the level of mediocre, and currently we are looking up to see mediocre, with what he has been able to accomplish on the recruiting front is the most important reason to keep him. People want to get rid of TM in few years, fine, but lets at least allow him to continue to build depth on the roster for the next few years so that if/when that time might come to let him go we will not be starting over from a recruiting stand point.

 

I really don't want to turn this into the 197th "should we fire Tim Miles thread," but your argument actually provides a compelling reason to give Tim the boot now rather than later.  The current sophomore class is the strength of the team, meaning an incoming coach would inherit a team that should be pretty talented for his first two years.  Now is the time to pull the trigger on a coaching change, if leaving the cupboard stocked is really a priority.

[hhcdimes 6,876]

TraDeon Hollins got released from his JUCO after a guy fired 9 shots at through his window and his coaches/school didn't believe his story that it was a co-incidence.  Whiff by us, right?

 

[hhcdimes 6,876]

35 minutes ago, nustudent said:

I do think it's fair to question what if we had taken them over leaving 1-2 spots open every year though

 

Is Copeland the difference next year?  We don't have him if we took a flyer on someone.

I would have went with Tarin Smith and Bakari Evelyn if I was Monday Morning Quarterbacking our roster.

I think we went with some late minute lottery tickets for PGs there where if they don't work out you can get rid of them. It's a lot trickier to dump the hometown kid who might not pan out. In hindsight, we potentially could have filled that spot with a guy who had more to check off in the leadership and intangibles side than the raw ability side. That's a tough pill to swallow though when your talent upgrade is relative to you and not the rest of the league.

[Ron Mexico 375]

15 minutes ago, aphilso1 said:

 

I really don't want to turn this into the 197th "should we fire Tim Miles thread," but your argument actually provides a compelling reason to give Tim the boot now rather than later.  The current sophomore class is the strength of the team, meaning an incoming coach would inherit a team that should be pretty talented for his first two years.  Now is the time to pull the trigger on a coaching change, if leaving the cupboard stocked is really a priority.

That of course is assuming what we currently have doesn't get completely blown up.

How many from that Sophomore and Freshman class have been redshirted? None. Any of them could easily transfer.

My argument, which still holds up, is to build up depth, have a solid Fr-Sr group of players. At that point we could survive a coach firing.

Our program is not at place where we can fire a coach and just move forward without having to take a 3-5yr step back.

[Ron Mexico 375]

7 minutes ago, hhcdimes said:

 

Is Copeland the difference next year?  We don't have him if we took a flyer on someone.

I would have went with Tarin Smith and Bakari Evelyn if I was Monday Morning Quarterbacking our roster.

I think we went with some late minute lottery tickets for PGs there where if they don't work out you can get rid of them. It's a lot trickier to dump the hometown kid who might not pan out. In hindsight, we potentially could have filled that spot with a guy who had more to check off in the leadership and intangibles side than the raw ability side. That's a tough pill to swallow though when your talent upgrade is relative to you and not the rest of the league.

Ding ding ding. This +1000

[colhusker 2,162]

9 hours ago, PimpMario said:

 

As a central alumnus I didn't feel like he was a huge miss coming out of high school. Did you?

 

The same could be said for Patton until right up to the end and then he blew up

[colhusker 2,162]

44 minutes ago, Jugular said:

 

Thats what we were hoping with on Fuller. And going back a few years, Markowski. Both regressed as shooters unfortunately. 

Regressed OR slow shot that they could get off vs high school competition but not college competition?