Rotation

[Huskerpapa]

I believe you are going to see Isaiah playing three, perhaps four positions throughout the year.  In fact, and this would not be shocking, he may see playing time at all five positions against certain teams and matchups.

[Silverbacked1]

1 hour ago, huskercwg said:

I believe you are going to see Isaiah playing three, perhaps four positions throughout the year.  In fact, and this would not be shocking, he may see playing time at all five positions against certain teams and matchups.

 

and selling popcorn at half time!

[brfrad]

I think we can run a great 1-3-1 zone with Tai at the top, Watson and Taylor on the wings, Roby in the middle, and Morrow under the basket.  You could play Jacobson/Jordy where Roby is and Roby under the basket.  Great length and athleticism to allow you to get the guys on the floor that can put the ball in the hoop, and slow the other team down.  The problem is there are not many teams in the Big 10 that struggle to shoot the ball from 3 point land.

[Norm Peterson]

If you ran a 1-3-1, wouldn't you want a guy like Roby running the baseline?  Long and athletic?  Then, your quick little jitterbug who leads the league in steals (by a long margin) would play the point, which leaves Tai and Evan on the wings and Jordy, Ed, or Michael filling the middle?

 

If I was trying to plug our personnel into a 1-3-1 defense, that's maybe more how I would do it.  Not that I expect to see us running much 1-3-1.

[NU Follower]

Patting myself on the back a little....not sure why it took Miles so long to see it.  From November 29th (following the Va. Tech game):

 

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I did see a lineup in the first half of the V-Tech game that I thought might our most effective lineup later in the year.  It was Watson, Webster, Horne, Roby and Morrow.  Now, Horne and Roby have to get better, but it leads to a lot of versatility in offense and defense (once Horne and Roby get some experience).

 

This group was only together for 2-3 minutes, but I thought that grouping could be really good by the end of the year.

 

[Huskerpapa]

I remember Cookie Belcher up top of our 1-3-1 zone.  He caused havoc up top.  I also believe he is one of the Husker all-time leaders in steals.  It is great to have length up top where it creates issues to rotate the ball.

[brfrad]

I was thinking Webster has a little more length, which would cause more havoc up top, but really couldn't go wrong with either.  Much like Morrow and Roby running the baseline.  I was kind of intrigued by it, when coach Miles said in the pregame they were working on it in practice. 

[Bugeaters1]

6 hours ago, NU Follower said:

Patting myself on the back a little....not sure why it took Miles so long to see it.  From November 29th (following the Va. Tech game):

 

 

Don't break your arm in doing it.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Bugeaters1

[Dean Smith]

1 hour ago, brfrad said:

I was thinking Webster has a little more length, which would cause more havoc up top, but really couldn't go wrong with either.  Much like Morrow and Roby running the baseline.  I was kind of intrigued by it, when coach Miles said in the pregame they were working on it in practice. 

I'm not sure how you would run the rotations on your 1-3-1 but you usually don't want one of your best rebounders running to the corner. Traditionally, you want the length on the wings to get in passing lanes and for rebounding when they are on the weak side. 

 

1-3-1 when you have Jordy in the middle and 3-2 when he's not. You get much better 3-point defending out of a 3-2 when all 5 players guard out to the line. You get better coverage and shorter rotations to get out there. 

[HuskerBB]

Typically when you do a 1-3-1 at this level you have a guard on the bottom to go baseline to baseline - and get steals under the hoop.  Watson would be the guy in this group.  I don't really remember us playing much 1-3-1 with Cookie, although I am sure we did some as it was a scheme Nee used.   The most effective I can recall us being with the 1-3-1 was in 90-91.   We had Cliff Scales on the bottom and you could put Carl Hayes on the top or a wing.  Hayes was 6-9 with really long arms - and very quick for his size.  Rich King also played a wing at 7-2 with Tony Farmer as a force in in the middle.  That 90-91 team was huge and very athletic which I think you have to be to get away with a 1-3-1 in college.  Generally good college teams will have shooters that will eat up a 1-3-1 otherwise.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

10 hours ago, HuskerBB said:

Typically when you do a 1-3-1 at this level you have a guard on the bottom to go baseline to baseline - and get steals under the hoop.  Watson would be the guy in this group.  I don't really remember us playing much 1-3-1 with Cookie, although I am sure we did some as it was a scheme Nee used.   The most effective I can recall us being with the 1-3-1 was in 90-91.   We had Cliff Scales on the bottom and you could put Carl Hayes on the top or a wing.  Hayes was 6-9 with really long arms - and very quick for his size.  Rich King also played a wing at 7-2 with Tony Farmer as a force in in the middle.  That 90-91 team was huge and very athletic which I think you have to be to get away with a 1-3-1 in college.  Generally good college teams will have shooters that will eat up a 1-3-1 otherwise.

 

Agree, I'd put Watson at the back, Roby on top with his length. The 1-3-1 is all about tipping passes, because offenses will typically try to throw over to get the ball to the corner for open jump shots. On-ball defense is less important because good teams won't try to dribble through the traps. Jordy would be effective in the middle with his reach, plus he wouldn't need to move as much. 

[Dean Smith]

14 hours ago, Chuck Taylor said:

Agree, I'd put Watson at the back, Roby on top with his length. The 1-3-1 is all about tipping passes, because offenses will typically try to throw over to get the ball to the corner for open jump shots. On-ball defense is less important because good teams won't try to dribble through the traps. Jordy would be effective in the middle with his reach, plus he wouldn't need to move as much. 

You don't have to trap out of a 1-3-1. The middle of the zone has more to cover than the middle of a 2-3 and on-ball defense is always lmportant. Especially vs. 1-3-1 as one common method of attack is dribbling into the seams between the point and wing. Another weakness of that defense is you have long rotations so it is succeptable to the three just with quick ball movement. 

 

You can beat a 1-3-1 by setting picks. You can seal the weakside wing down for a three or seal up on rotation for the lob to the hoop. 

 

You can pick the baseline runner on a reversal and they then have no one to cover the corner once  reversed. 

 

Pass to the corner drawing the baseline runner out and pick the middle of the zone with one post as the other gets to the basket with no one left to guard them. 

 

Pick the the top of the defense and dibble into the heart. Calapari does that a lot with a baseline runner. The old Bad Boys from Detroit had a secondary break that had four picks on that zone right off the go. 

 

I reallze the updated coach's axiom of "whoever holds the whiteboard marker last wins" fits here, but there's a reason you don't see a lot of teams at this level run the 1-3-1 as their primary defense. It has a lot of parts that can be exploited. 

 

It can can be a good defense as a change up if you have the personnel. It is easy to trap out of since who the trappers, anticipators and basket protector  become really obvious. As I stated before, I preferred running a 3-2 that gives you better three-point coverage and I think our personnel fits that better. 

Edited January 1, 2017 by Dean Smith

[Huskerpapa]

I personally would not be an advocate of having the 1-3-1 as our primary defense.  Instead I would leverage it as a change of pace defense.  I also am a huge fan of an occasional press, and I believe we have the athletes this year to do it.

 

Edited January 1, 2017 by huskercwg

[busticket]

Funny how the 1-3-1 topic came up and we end up running it the last 10 minutes to beat the Terps.  Coincidence?

[Silverbacked1]

You know I have never seen Tim and brfrad at the same time.

[49r]

Depth chart over the past 5 games

PG		SG		SF		PF		C
5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	75%	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	44%	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	34%	30 Ed Morrow 6-7  234  So	38%	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	47%
0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	24%	1 Anton Gill 6-3  195  Jr	42%	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	26%	15 Isaiah Roby 6-8  214  Fr	32%	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	33%
		11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	13%	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	21%	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	9%	30 Ed Morrow 6-7  234  So	20%
				2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	13%	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	9%
				15 Isaiah Roby 6-8  214  Fr	6%	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	9%

Most frequent lineups over the past 5 games 

	PG	SG	SF	PF	C	Pct
1	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	30 Ed Morrow 6-7  234  So	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	10.8
2	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	30 Ed Morrow 6-7  234  So	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	8.6
3	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	1 Anton Gill 6-3  195  Jr	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	30 Ed Morrow 6-7  234  So	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	4.3
4	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	1 Anton Gill 6-3  195  Jr	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	3.9
5	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	1 Anton Gill 6-3  195  Jr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	30 Ed Morrow 6-7  234  So	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	3.7
6	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	3.2
7	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	15 Isaiah Roby 6-8  214  Fr	30 Ed Morrow 6-7  234  So	2.8
8	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	1 Anton Gill 6-3  195  Jr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	15 Isaiah Roby 6-8  214  Fr	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	2.7
9	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	15 Isaiah Roby 6-8  214  Fr	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	2.7
10	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	1 Anton Gill 6-3  195  Jr	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	2.7
					UNKNOWN	0.0
Border thickness proportional to player %Poss, green shading proportional to 3PA/(.475*FTA+FGA)
Position designation is estimated by an algorithm and may not reflect reality.

[brfrad]

6 hours ago, Silverbacked1 said:

You know I have never seen Tim and brfrad at the same time.

How do you think Tim gets all his scouting reports for games?

[49r]

Haven't updated this in a while:

 

Depth chart over the past 5 games

PG		SG		SF		PF		C
5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	83%	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	76%	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	59%	15 Isaiah Roby 6-8  214  Fr	40%	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	66%
0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	18%	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	24%	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	36%	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	26%	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	27%
				2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	5%	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	22%	15 Isaiah Roby 6-8  214  Fr	5%
						23 Nick Fuller 6-7  213  Jr	10%

Most frequent lineups over the past 5 games 

	PG	SG	SF	PF	C	Pct
1	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	15 Isaiah Roby 6-8  214  Fr	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	23.1
2	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	18.5
3	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	15 Isaiah Roby 6-8  214  Fr	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	6.3
4	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	5.5
5	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	4.6
6	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	15 Isaiah Roby 6-8  214  Fr	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	4.5
7	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	4.1
8	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	4.0
9	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	3.2
10	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	2.9
					UNKNOWN	3.4

[49r]

Depth chart over the past 5 games

PG		SG		SF		PF		C
5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	70%	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	56%	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	60%	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	36%	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	42%
0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	29%	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	42%	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	28%	15 Isaiah Roby 6-8  214  Fr	23%	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	39%
				23 Nick Fuller 6-7  213  Jr	5%	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	18%	30 Ed Morrow 6-7  234  So	13%
						12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	13%	15 Isaiah Roby 6-8  214  Fr	5%
						30 Ed Morrow 6-7  234  So	9%

Most frequent lineups over the past 5 games 

	PG	SG	SF	PF	C	Pct
1	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	8.3
2	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	7.9
3	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	5.5
4	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	5.4
5	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	5.4
6	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	4.8
7	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	11 Evan Taylor 6-5  206  Jr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	4.5
8	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	30 Ed Morrow 6-7  234  So	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	4.5
9	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	32 Jordy Tshimanga 6-11  275  Fr	4.5
10	5 Glynn Watson 6-0  175  So	0 Tai Webster 6-4  195  Sr	10 Jack McVeigh 6-8  215  So	2 Jeriah Horne 6-7  222  Fr	12 Michael Jacobson 6-9  230  So	4.0
					UNKNOWN	4.3
Border thickness proportional to player %Poss, green shading proportional to 3PA/(.475*FTA+FGA)
Position designation is estimated by an algorithm and may not reflect reality.