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I really hope Miles can spin this into motivation for the team. AW3 basically is saying he doesn't think the other players are good enough to help him get where he needs to be (i kniw when i was an athlete and teammate this would've pissed me off). If I were the coaching staff I would plaster AW3s face all over the practice facilities as a constant reminder. Of course this might not work for everyone but it sure as hell would motivate me.

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I really hope Miles can spin this into motivation for the team. AW3 basically is saying he doesn't think the other players are good enough to help him get where he needs to be (i kniw when i was an athlete and teammate this would've pissed me off). If I were the coaching staff I would plaster AW3s face all over the practice facilities as a constant reminder. Of course this might not work for everyone but it sure as hell would motivate me.

https://twitter.com/CoachMiles/status/747075023127470080
Good. He obviously has to keep it tasteful publically. But man I would love to see what he is saying to the team behind closed doors.
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Let's look on the bright side. We weren't going to be an NCAA team with White, so his leaving gives us a jumpstart on '17-18 when maybe we will be.

I hadn't given up on this yet. I figured there was a chance thing came together for a run and making the tourney.

By what your saying is depressing, we might as well just skip 16-17.

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So if I recall correctly, this means Tai is out too then? I sure as hell hope not.

That is what I heard from the beginning about Tai, that if White went he would not return.  White has not talked with Miles in over a month so I would say the writing was on the wall for quite some time.  White went directly to SE for his release and completely bypassed Miles so that also says something.  Timmy needs to get his house in order or he will not be long as Nebraska's coach (IMHO not hearing this but). 

 

 

Let me get this straight:  Despite Miles giving White complete support as he explored his delusional NBA prospects, including Lewis' connections with Brad Stephens, White doesn't talk to Miles for a month and departs via text to the AD, and it's automatically Timmy who needs to get his house in order?  No chance it's White who needs to get real and that commitments are two way streets and it's not just about me?  Guy warmed the bench for two years, we gave him a chance to flourish despite the limitations in his game, and now this in late June.   

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Seriously, stop making excuses... It's right in front of your eyes...

Are you a Husker fan or a fan of a team along the Missouri River?
Nebraska season ticket holder and long time fan. I was on the Rivals basketball board with Dave and Nustudent before this board was ever created. I prior to the White info was a huge Miles fan. The reality is White wasn't the only one that was/isn't happy.

Part of the issue is the AAU system, handler, etc.

What Andrew is doing is selfish. He isn't an NBA player. He will never be one, that being said, he was our best player. It sucks.

Lastly, this is a great opportunity for the young guys more PT.

 

 

Man, are you all over the map or what?  You went from being a huge Miles fan to a detractor all because of the "White info", yet the AAU system and handlers are the problem, and White is selfish and delusional about his abilities.  Yeah, that all makes sense.

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I really thought Andrew was a classy kid from a classy family. This scenario revealed that he's just a mercenary whose only concern is himself. So be it.

This creates an enhanced opportunity for a guy like Roby to play more minutes.

I hope Andrew finds what he and his dad are searching for, but he truly has no concept of team and loyalty.

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Seriously, stop making excuses... It's right in front of your eyes...

Are you a Husker fan or a fan of a team along the Missouri River?
Nebraska season ticket holder and long time fan. I was on the Rivals basketball board with Dave and Nustudent before this board was ever created. I prior to the White info was a huge Miles fan. The reality is White wasn't the only one that was/isn't happy.

Part of the issue is the AAU system, handler, etc.

What Andrew is doing is selfish. He isn't an NBA player. He will never be one, that being said, he was our best player. It sucks.

Lastly, this is a great opportunity for the young guys more PT.

Man, are you all over the map or what? You went from being a huge Miles fan to a detractor all because of the "White info", yet the AAU system and handlers are the problem, and White is selfish and delusional about his abilities. Yeah, that all makes sense.

Still salty I see.

What doesn't add up? Their is a difference between causation and correlation. Yes, I think Miles needs to take an inventory of himself and his program.

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Andrew is a very well-mannered kid, but quiet. He doesn't show you when he's too high or when he's too low. He could keep things bottled up inside of him and you'd have no idea it was going on.

Sometimes, it's difficult reaching these types of players. Coaches struggle trying to find the "right" way to coach them, trying to squeeze out every ounce of potential they have. Every player responds to coaching differently. Walter Pitchford took things extremely personally, and any inkling of negative feedback would cause him to check out completely. Someone like Benny Parker on the other hand, could be screamed at until Miles' head falls off and it would only cause him to play better and harder.

It takes time to find that adjustment in each player, and I think when Miles think he found it, Andrew didn't like the way he was personally being coached. But Andrew wouldn't tell Miles that, because he's quiet and just kind of a go-with-the-flow kid.

With that being said, that falls on Andrew. You have to man-up and learn how to confront someone (i.e. texting Eichorst). You can't keep running away from problems in life, which brings me to my next point.

I personally do not think Andrew will ever play a minute in the NBA, and this decision only strengthens my belief. The way I see it, Andrew doesn't want to be "the guy". He is very one dimensional in his 3 point ability, and teams can find a way to guard that. Without Shavon this year, teams are going to be putting their best defender on him, and I don't think he was ready for that. Especially after NBA teams telling him that he needed to work on ball handling and playmaking decisions.... Have you seen the guy dribble with his left hand? He said what he wanted scouts to hear which is "I'm going to go back to college and tell my coach that I need to show these things in our offense next year", but I don't know if he personally believes he can do it. I think he foresaw be a season of low numbers with every team's best defender guarding him night-in and night-out, and not being able to showcase the things they want him to. Man-up and take the challenge head on, don't run away from a challenge for your own selfish reasons.

My prediction: I believe he avoids the scout's advice all together and goes to a team with a couple studs, and falls into a 3 point specialist role getting about 20-24 minutes a game. That way he has an excuse that their were other players on the floor that were playmakers and deserved the ball in their hand. I think it'll be a team with a coach who has a history of getting players to the League, and I don't think he'll be one of them.

All in all: Nice quiet kid, very poor decision.

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Man I went from dreading the season to be excited to dreading

 

This has to be especially tough for you, Pimp, since your #1 pick in the Inaugural HHC Pick-up Game Draft just transferred.  I'm not sure how your squad is going to absorb a hit like that.  Do you think you'll maybe play more of a high-low post offense?

 

 

Good One Norm!  thumbsup.gif  (leave it to Norm to provide a little Needed perspective)

 

I don't think this is a 'wake-up' call that there is something 'Rotten' in the Husker Hoops program that must be excised (or else Miles is out on his ear).  Rather, maybe this is part of the 'excision' process; that is, of 'selfishness.'

 

Think about it.  Miles has never shown reluctance to get rid of dissension, i.e. Deverell Biggs (who I thought, oh boy! There goes the season when he was sent packing - didn't happen, or Tarin Smith.  I'm not in any way suggesting that AWIII was encouraged to leave, but it may be the best thing for all concerned; I don't want any player that doesn't Want to be here or isn't having any fun, regardless how desperate we are for a Tourney Win.

 

The important thing now is on with the task of molding our returning players and recruits into the team we will field in a few short months and motivating them to achieve 'Excellence,' not dwell on 'Sour Grapes.'

 

 

(And I don't think Miles will be out on his ear.  He'll be around and given the opportunity to succeed as long as he continues to upgrade the talent level of the team, recruits and staff.)

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I don't see why we have to bash either Andrew or TM. College basketball is like everything else, which is complicated. So why have have such venom when none of us really know what happened?

 

I really can't see us winning a lot of games next year, but like someone said, the young kids will get a lot of experience so that's a positive. It's not like we're giving up that much, since most places were predicting us for around 9th or 10th anyway.

 

And don't lose sight of the fact that the roster isn't a black hole. Plenty of talent, it's just young and unproven. If Husker hoops has proved anything, it's the value of patience. 

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A few things:

 

1.  AWIII's timing could've been worse--way worse.  I would argue that the implication of his return helped us land Jordy.  I think that'll play out significantly.  

 

2.  AWIII is a fringe NBA talent at best with his skillset.  He's an excellent college player, but I don't think he's a complete enough player or explosive enough athlete to create his own shot, even at the college level.  Because of that, an offense literally can't be built around him.  He's not a program changer.  I worry about his chance at the league even more now if he joins a blueblood.  On a squad like that, there's no way in hell he'll be a first option, and if he hits a shooting slump, there won't be any guarantee he gets off the bench.  By his own admission, he's a 3pt specialist.  

 

3.  We still have a complete roster of a bunch of 4* players.  Don't be surprised if Roby brings some skills that AWIII couldn't dream of having--like handles, passing ability, and the ability to score one on one.  If McVeigh continues to improve and gain confidence in his 3pt shot, I really don't think AWIII's departure will be the end of anything.  

 

4.  I agree with Norm.  I think this year's team competes with our without AWIII, and I still consider them a bubble squad.    

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Andrew White leaving hurts short term, but should be good for us long term. That's about 30 min a game that will be filled by McVeigh (So), Roby (Fr), and Horne (Fr). This is also a team that will only have one senior and 7/10 players that will make up our rotation will be Fr. and So.

As the title of another thread states, THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.

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I'm really just shocked that this happened. I had such great hopes for this season and I loved Andrew White, he was such a well spoken and humble guy that I loved having part of our program. But seriously? Right now, you, the leader of our team that has high hopes for this season, are just going to jump ship and leave because you think you can go be a role player of a sure-fire NCAA tournament team because you think it will help you get drafted? I mean if I'm an NBA front office guy I'm thinking well he'll never be more of a role player and honestly I don't trust him being a team-first guy. I mean if something comes up that explains his decision a little better like he is going through family trouble and he wants to be closer to home then I would understand, but to me I don't see any explanation for this that isn't just selfish ambition. 

I just watched the BTN The Journey Episode on Andrew White earlier this week just to pump me up for this season and now he just guts us with no time left to find a replacement. And hopefully Tai doesn't go with him!

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Let's look on the bright side. We weren't going to be an NCAA team with White, so his leaving gives us a jumpstart on '17-18 when maybe we will be.

Totally disagree with this. In fact, I'm not willing to concede that we won't be an NCAA team even without Andrew.

Wouldn't it be amusing if we won our first NCAA game this year without him? Let's turn a negative into a positive.

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Andrew White leaving hurts short term, but should be good for us long term. That's about 30 min a game that will be filled by McVeigh (So), Roby (Fr), and Horne (Fr). This is also a team that will only have one senior and 7/10 players that will make up our rotation will be Fr. and So.

As the title of another thread states, THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.

But at what point do we stop making the developing players/long term argument? I feel like we've been playing for "next year" far too many times over the years.
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Andrew White leaving hurts short term, but should be good for us long term. That's about 30 min a game that will be filled by McVeigh (So), Roby (Fr), and Horne (Fr). This is also a team that will only have one senior and 7/10 players that will make up our rotation will be Fr. and So.

As the title of another thread states, THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.

But at what point do we stop making the developing players/long term argument? I feel like we've been playing for "next year" far too many times over the years.

 

yea. it's not a good idea to plan long term in college basketball when players can leave at any time with no penalty other than having to sit out 1 year. and in white's case, there's no penalty.

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Andrew White leaving hurts short term, but should be good for us long term. That's about 30 min a game that will be filled by McVeigh (So), Roby (Fr), and Horne (Fr). This is also a team that will only have one senior and 7/10 players that will make up our rotation will be Fr. and So.

As the title of another thread states, THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.

But at what point do we stop making the developing players/long term argument? I feel like we've been playing for "next year" far too many times over the years.

 

 

When this year's sophomore class are seniors, it'll be time to look back at MIles' body of work and evaluate it objectively.  He has had to undo a massive amount of previously awful recruiting and reputation to land the sort of underclassmen we have, and those talents are top notch.  If he can continue to keep the talent pouring in (and I believe he can), then he'll have to prove he can coach them up.  

 

AWIII is a good player, but this is much different than losing a good player in years past.  We have a lot of good young players who certainly compare to Drew in their respective skillsets.  

 

This will be the first year, in my opinion, that we can objectively judge the philosophies of our coaches.  This roster has plenty of options offensively and defensively.  I'm intrigued to see how it plays out, particularly on the defensive end.  I can only imagine Molinari is a caged lion thinking about what he can do without having to double the post.  It'll be a fun season.  We'll just have less three pointers and more assists.  

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